Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others
Isaac Send a noteboard - 15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM
Perrin does interrupt a torture to maim someone, but of the main cast of teenage heroes nobody else ever really gets their hands dirty. Moraine is implied to have, along with Lan, Thom, Verin, and Gawyn. Those twin Aes Sedai torture that black ajah chick IIRC, under the thumbs up of Elayne. Aviendha and all the Aiel are pretty vicious and from that last one, if I remember right, Aviendha as much as says she can't perform Questioning yet because she hasn't been taught it properly, implying that Wise Ones probably include a primer on torture, sufficient to break your average Aiel at that, in standard training. And Tuon doesn't seem to get kicks the way her mother used to but she doesn't appear to have any issues at all with executing someone on the suspicion an omen indicated future betrayal.
The authors do a bad job selling the moral boundary stuff but they do present them a fair number of times. I think they left too many get out of jail free cards on it, or diminished the character by having them react with the most irritating flavors of angst.
Though I do agree it would have been nice if some of the many conveniently deposed leaders had actually had to have been deposed with full hand-dirting by the characters.
The authors do a bad job selling the moral boundary stuff but they do present them a fair number of times. I think they left too many get out of jail free cards on it, or diminished the character by having them react with the most irritating flavors of angst.
Though I do agree it would have been nice if some of the many conveniently deposed leaders had actually had to have been deposed with full hand-dirting by the characters.
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Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now
- 14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM
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Faile made Perrin less interesting
- 14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM
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She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it.
- 14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM
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I skipped those chapters during my re-read
- 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM
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I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD.
- 15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM
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Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it.
- 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM
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You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters.
- 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM
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There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better.
- 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM
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Though I too have wished for them to make really hard choices...
- 15/01/2013 09:37:34 AM
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But they DO make hard choices; they just face relatively few hard consequences.
- 15/01/2013 10:08:19 AM
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Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others
- 15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM
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Mostly it's because it's clear in RJ's eyes that doing something like the things you suggest is wron
- 15/01/2013 12:41:03 PM
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You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM*
- 15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM
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We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die
- 15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM
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Joel, I just said I disagreed with you. I didn't want to debate this series for the sake of debate. *NM*
- 15/01/2013 05:43:55 PM
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Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice?
- 15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM
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Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too.
- 15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM
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Jordan said he put some of himself in all the ta'veren, but its clearly strongest with Perrin.
- 15/01/2013 06:27:10 AM
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I'm glad you have seen the Truth.
- 14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM
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It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose.
- 14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM
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I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly.
- 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM
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In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela
- 14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM
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I think she fed her an apple once in TV or somewhere, too, but otherwise she ignored her.
- 15/01/2013 06:12:26 AM
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Dramatic much? Bella lived a good life in TV and later in Salidar
- 20/01/2013 12:54:15 AM
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Actually, I never understood why people LOVE that horse so much. She is just a horse! *NM*
- 15/01/2013 07:52:29 AM
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Pony. She is a pony. A loyal, goodnatured, overperforming and underappreciated pony.
- 15/01/2013 08:32:21 AM
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honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered?
- 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM
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honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered?
- 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM
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The whole series is based upon the love of Bela and Narg and her struggle to come to terms with his
- 16/01/2013 04:01:59 AM
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The real problem
- 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM
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Faile will surely domineer someone into pulling Tams carts for him.
- 15/01/2013 03:04:35 PM
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The women in WoT are monsters
- 15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM
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I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic.
- 15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM
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I agree completely...
- 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM
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Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power
- 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM
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Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series
- 20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM
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Tell me then...
- 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM
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That's a fallacious question
- 18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM
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Are you saying...
- 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM
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That is a pathetic answer.
- 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM
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You're a pathetic ass
- 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM
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LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM*
- 19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM
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Oh, gosh, this could take a while.
- 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM
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How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death?
- 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM
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Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped
- 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM
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Her kidnapping...
- 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM
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I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way.
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- 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM
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- 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM
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No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped
- 20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM
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Wow...
- 19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM
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