RJ did such a horrendous job portraying relationships in this series. As a world builder he is a master, but regarding his characters, its just the pits.
Its painful to read about Egwene/Gawyn, Rand/Aviendha/Elayne, Tuon/Mat, Siuan/Gareth and most of all Perrin/Faile.
I just cannot believe that people would want to be in any of these relationships. The women consistently tell others how much they love these men but they consistently treat them like men they cannot stand. Egwene treats Gawyn like shit almost all the time... How dare you read my letter? I will not tolerate that in a husband etc. Elayne and Aviendha are extremely irritating women around Rand. Elayne berates him for the surprise visit and says that she "saw him yesterday". Aviendha dismisses everything he says and consistently thinks that her wisdom is far greater than even Lews Therin Telamon. Its so toxic it's difficult to read. Tuon treats Mat like she always has, an object. Its strange that some readers actually like Tuon... She's a monster and about as human as one of the Forsaken.
Its also mirrored by the fact that the men are idiots of the highest order. Perrin is retarded but it seems he was born that way, so Faile had very little to do there to dominate the situation. Rand just smiles at the continuous insults and says how beautiful his women are, like an adolescent. Mat can't be serious if he tries. Life is one big game.
The healthiest relationship is Nynaeve/Lan and Rand/Min. Nynaeve/Lan because she doesn't put up with his constant depressive moods and suicidal ideation, and because he keeps the bitch mode in check in her. Two people who show mutual respect. Min has a soul so that's already a winner, and she knows how to be kind, despite the fact that she only recently found a purpose in the series.
So yes, Faile is irritating and pathetic, but so are most of the women. Luckily its fiction...
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Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now
- 14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM
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Faile made Perrin less interesting
- 14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM
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She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it.
- 14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM
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I skipped those chapters during my re-read
- 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM
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I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD.
- 15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM
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Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it.
- 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM
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You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters.
- 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM
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There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better.
- 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM
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Though I too have wished for them to make really hard choices...
- 15/01/2013 09:37:34 AM
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But they DO make hard choices; they just face relatively few hard consequences.
- 15/01/2013 10:08:19 AM
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Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others
- 15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM
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Mostly it's because it's clear in RJ's eyes that doing something like the things you suggest is wron
- 15/01/2013 12:41:03 PM
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You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM*
- 15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM
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We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die
- 15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM
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Joel, I just said I disagreed with you. I didn't want to debate this series for the sake of debate. *NM*
- 15/01/2013 05:43:55 PM
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Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice?
- 15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM
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Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too.
- 15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM
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Jordan said he put some of himself in all the ta'veren, but its clearly strongest with Perrin.
- 15/01/2013 06:27:10 AM
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I'm glad you have seen the Truth.
- 14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM
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It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose.
- 14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM
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I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly.
- 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM
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In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela
- 14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM
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I think she fed her an apple once in TV or somewhere, too, but otherwise she ignored her.
- 15/01/2013 06:12:26 AM
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Dramatic much? Bella lived a good life in TV and later in Salidar
- 20/01/2013 12:54:15 AM
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Actually, I never understood why people LOVE that horse so much. She is just a horse! *NM*
- 15/01/2013 07:52:29 AM
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Pony. She is a pony. A loyal, goodnatured, overperforming and underappreciated pony.
- 15/01/2013 08:32:21 AM
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honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered?
- 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM
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honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered?
- 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM
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The whole series is based upon the love of Bela and Narg and her struggle to come to terms with his
- 16/01/2013 04:01:59 AM
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The real problem
- 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM
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Faile will surely domineer someone into pulling Tams carts for him.
- 15/01/2013 03:04:35 PM
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The women in WoT are monsters
- 15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM
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I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic.
- 15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM
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I agree completely...
- 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM
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Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power
- 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM
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Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series
- 20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM
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Tell me then...
- 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM
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That's a fallacious question
- 18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM
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Are you saying...
- 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM
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That is a pathetic answer.
- 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM
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You're a pathetic ass
- 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM
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LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM*
- 19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM
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Oh, gosh, this could take a while.
- 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM
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How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death?
- 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM
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Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped
- 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM
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Her kidnapping...
- 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM
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I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way.
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- 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM
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- 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM
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No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped
- 20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM
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Wow...
- 19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM
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