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Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM
Men in WOT are nowhere near as oppressed as women in the 17th century (aside from a few places), but I am certain if you looked at interpersonal relationships between men and women even 100 years ago you would see an even larger disparity between the sexes than RJ portrays. He certainly fell down portraying "strong" v "bitch", but I don't think most of the women in the series are as bad as men in the real world circa 1800 ... RJ did a fair job of creating a societal norm with women holding a higher position, but not fully enslaving the men.
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Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now Joel - 14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM 3476 Views
Faile made Perrin less interesting Isaac - 14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM 1412 Views
She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM 1510 Views
I skipped those chapters during my re-read The Doctor - 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM 1742 Views
I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM 1304 Views
Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Zalvera - 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM 1382 Views
You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters. Tom - 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM 1332 Views
I think this is why I still enjoy Rand as a character so much IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 03:37:52 AM 1276 Views
There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM 1446 Views
Though I too have wished for them to make really hard choices... Cannoli - 15/01/2013 09:37:34 AM 1416 Views
But they DO make hard choices; they just face relatively few hard consequences. Joel - 15/01/2013 10:08:19 AM 1275 Views
Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others Isaac - 15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM 1420 Views
Mostly it's because it's clear in RJ's eyes that doing something like the things you suggest is wron IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 12:41:03 PM 1307 Views
You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM 692 Views
We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die Joel - 15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM 1310 Views
Joel, I just said I disagreed with you. I didn't want to debate this series for the sake of debate. *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 05:43:55 PM 643 Views
Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice? Tom - 15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM 1154 Views
Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM 1183 Views
And a trolloc attack Tom - 16/01/2013 02:28:00 PM 1158 Views
True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM 1323 Views
Jordan said he put some of himself in all the ta'veren, but its clearly strongest with Perrin. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:27:10 AM 1338 Views
I'm glad you have seen the Truth. Tom - 14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM 1406 Views
It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM 1291 Views
I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly. Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM 1384 Views
Works for me. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:13:16 AM 2297 Views
In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela darius_sedai - 14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM 1251 Views
Bela has been there for Egwene all the time. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2013 10:16:22 PM 1482 Views
Egwene and Bela Aes_Gesserit - 15/01/2013 08:13:17 AM 1222 Views
I thought Noal was riding Bela... *NM* Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:56 PM 643 Views
I did, too, at first, but "horse"=/="pony." Joel - 15/01/2013 06:08:03 AM 1197 Views
I think she fed her an apple once in TV or somewhere, too, but otherwise she ignored her. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:12:26 AM 1408 Views
Dramatic much? Bella lived a good life in TV and later in Salidar darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:54:15 AM 8074 Views
Actually, I never understood why people LOVE that horse so much. She is just a horse! *NM* aragornital - 15/01/2013 07:52:29 AM 706 Views
Pony. She is a pony. A loyal, goodnatured, overperforming and underappreciated pony. Joel - 15/01/2013 08:32:21 AM 1339 Views
honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered? darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM 1368 Views
The whole series is based upon the love of Bela and Narg and her struggle to come to terms with his MightyYT - 16/01/2013 04:01:59 AM 1173 Views
The real problem echooff - 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM 1330 Views
Faile will surely domineer someone into pulling Tams carts for him. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:04:35 PM 1231 Views
The women in WoT are monsters Sidious - 15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM 1719 Views
I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM 1512 Views
Oh...I think we know :-) *NM* echooff - 16/01/2013 04:31:18 PM 735 Views
I try to give them, or rather her, the benefit of a doubt. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:48:22 PM 1181 Views
Re: Tuon Zalvera - 15/01/2013 03:33:34 PM 1466 Views
I had not noticed that before, but you are right. Joel - 15/01/2013 07:45:53 PM 1210 Views
I agree completely... lilltempest - 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM 1481 Views
Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM 1339 Views
Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM 1185 Views
Tell me then... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM 1233 Views
That's a fallacious question Tom - 18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM 1326 Views
Are you saying... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM 1231 Views
That is a pathetic answer. Tom - 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM 1211 Views
You're a pathetic ass Nargs - 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM 1174 Views
LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM* Tom - 19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM 621 Views
Sad for you. *NM* Nargs - 19/01/2013 09:24:59 PM 641 Views
Oh, gosh, this could take a while. Joel - 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM 1283 Views
How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death? Zeratul - 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM 1187 Views
Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped Joel - 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM 1096 Views
Her kidnapping... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM 1156 Views
I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way. ) Joel - 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM 1212 Views
No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM 1169 Views
Exactly Zeratul - 20/01/2013 06:59:33 PM 1453 Views
Wow... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM 1248 Views
Culture is sometimes a reason, but never an excuse. Joel - 19/01/2013 08:04:52 PM 1232 Views
Just off color Nargs - 19/01/2013 10:03:58 PM 1358 Views
? Joel - 19/01/2013 10:44:28 PM 1279 Views
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