Active Users:786 Time:16/06/2026 02:08:18 AM
Re: Interesting... DomA Send a noteboard - 05/05/2014 04:08:41 PM

View original postYour conclusion seems sound. You also said, I think, that age limit differences between Cadsuane and Lanfear aren't very huge. This tells may be another indication that what Shannow said about strengths of certain women compared to Lanfear are truer than he thinks.


It sounds like it, at least I can't really see how life expectancy could progress linearly (and thus continuously within a level as well) along the "levels" unless the levels are merely markers for equal arbitrary divisions on a linear and continuous scale of strength.

Thus the difference between Lanfear and the first larger group (the one with Elaida, Romanda and co.) is similar to that between the present ruling class of the Tower and the largest group of middling sisters, which itself has a similar gap with the weakest Aes Sedai. And those "weaker Aes Sedai" already start being rarer, if not as rare as women like Morgase and Sorilea, let alone women weaker than that who we never saw.

How impressed the sisters are with Forsaken is easily explained by the Tower hierarchy, an inheritance from days when much stronger women were in the Tower. Nowadays it's almost an absurd system, with the gap between Elaida and Daigian being not that great. But still... women like Elayne-Egwene stand, by the hierarchy, well above Elaida, so they impress a lot.. but they're not trained, not really sisters, so for now this is very undermined in comparison to the effect Cadsuane can have. All sisters middling and above have developed some self-confidence by the fact it's ingrained in their bones they're superior to women they see as weak. When they see women like Mesaana that probably stands as much above Elayne and co. and Elayne stands above Elaida, they're overawed, their self-confidence goes out of the window. Such a woman in the Tower would make all the other crawls to her orders, not a single sister would be even close to having a right to be listened to by her. And then, Mesaana carries the aura of all the knowledge of the AOL with her. I guess it's important to remember that it's women who exaggerate the value and advantage of every little gap in strength all their lives that judge Forsaken to the same standards.

The Wise Ones, who don't especially value strength in the OP or see this as the mark of someone superior in every way are much, much less impressed by the strength of Forsaken, and by ji'e'toh standards they're just worse than dat'sang. They already have little better than scorn for AS ethics, so for Forsaken...


View original postYup. There's no hard number on this. In the old wotmania days, a common theory was that linking caused a 5% loss, but it could be way more than that.

I suppose it's higher than 5% (but I've been told nothing about this).

In fact, I suspect the actual formula for circles is more complex than a constant strength1 minus x% + strength2 minus x% valid for all pairs. I think balance comes into play, and possibly in a two women circle being fairly close in strength leads to losing less strength than if the two women are very far apart. Of course, we can now suspect that even Daigian is only relatively weak.

Reply to message
One Power strength: New information from RJ's notes - 01/05/2014 11:39:32 PM 4722 Views
interesting. i wonder what else they'll dig up - 01/05/2014 11:46:19 PM 2026 Views
College of Charleston library - 02/05/2014 12:21:01 AM 2120 Views
Still... really cool, thanks! *NM* - 03/05/2014 06:35:05 PM 1106 Views
Mesaana - 02/05/2014 12:26:19 AM 2125 Views
Re: Mesaana - 02/05/2014 12:37:52 AM 2195 Views
Danelle - 02/05/2014 12:59:51 AM 2028 Views
Interesting... - 02/05/2014 05:13:44 PM 2064 Views
Re: Mesaana - 26/05/2015 10:21:33 PM 1667 Views
Bringing it all together... - 02/05/2014 10:34:12 AM 2052 Views
Can't accept that, sorry... - 02/05/2014 03:17:05 PM 2129 Views
How that CAN be interpreted however, is... - 02/05/2014 03:38:38 PM 1784 Views
Sorry, no... - 02/05/2014 06:00:56 PM 1799 Views
Here are some key flaws, unfortunately... - 02/05/2014 07:56:53 PM 1662 Views
Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... - 02/05/2014 09:50:23 PM 1732 Views
Re: Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... - 02/05/2014 09:59:45 PM 1716 Views
Not totally accurate - 17/05/2015 11:15:30 PM 1642 Views
Re: Not totally accurate - 05/06/2015 03:23:08 PM 1810 Views
Re: Not totally accurate - 05/06/2015 08:22:13 PM 1638 Views
Re: Not totally accurate - 05/06/2015 09:16:51 PM 1981 Views
Re: Not totally accurate - 06/06/2015 03:48:34 PM 1618 Views
Re: How that CAN be interpreted however, is... - 02/05/2014 09:39:06 PM 1925 Views
Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. - 02/05/2014 09:57:37 PM 1798 Views
Ahh, the Rand with Egwene and Elayne scene... - 02/05/2014 10:19:05 PM 2161 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. - 02/05/2014 10:45:12 PM 1849 Views
About that... - 02/05/2014 10:48:18 PM 1702 Views
Re: About that... - 02/05/2014 11:12:01 PM 1850 Views
Re: About that... - 17/05/2015 03:07:22 AM 1566 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. - 05/06/2015 03:16:50 PM 1847 Views
Thanks a ton for that Dom... - 02/05/2014 10:24:02 PM 1715 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... - 02/05/2014 11:09:16 PM 1647 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... - 02/05/2014 11:36:55 PM 1797 Views
More on Aiel learners - 03/05/2014 12:46:19 AM 1767 Views
Interesting. - 03/05/2014 02:32:23 AM 1696 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... - 03/05/2014 01:02:23 AM 1807 Views
Oh... - 03/05/2014 02:35:08 AM 1736 Views
Re: Oh... - 03/05/2014 04:29:34 AM 2275 Views
Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? - 07/05/2014 01:31:54 AM 1852 Views
Re: Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? - 07/05/2014 02:59:42 AM 1950 Views
Thanks Dom, I'm genuinely puzzled, though... - 07/05/2014 09:04:08 AM 1872 Views
Some things to consider... - 07/05/2014 11:22:46 PM 1684 Views
Re: Some things to consider... - 17/05/2015 03:32:22 AM 1586 Views
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his power level? - 02/05/2014 04:38:59 PM 1688 Views
mmm, Vegeta *NM* - 03/05/2014 08:32:36 AM 1104 Views
Sorilea and comments on the general structure of the notes - 02/05/2014 09:20:26 PM 2035 Views
Is there any reference whatsoever about strength multiples? - 02/05/2014 09:34:50 PM 1872 Views
I will let you know if I see something like that... - 02/05/2014 10:20:46 PM 1706 Views
Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle - 03/05/2014 11:04:31 PM 1830 Views
Re: Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle - 04/05/2014 06:16:52 AM 1866 Views
Interesting... - 04/05/2014 08:14:19 AM 1875 Views
Re: Interesting... - 05/05/2014 04:08:41 PM 1826 Views
LOL! - 02/05/2014 09:46:11 PM 1904 Views
More info on Sorilea - 02/05/2014 10:04:50 PM 2001 Views
This is great! - 02/05/2014 10:23:31 PM 1955 Views
In the original he might have kissed her. - 03/05/2014 12:49:53 AM 1768 Views
Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. - 05/05/2014 02:53:00 PM 2038 Views
Easy answer - 10/05/2014 02:49:53 PM 1764 Views
Can't argue with that! - 18/05/2014 12:31:01 AM 1896 Views
Therava/Galina - 10/05/2014 02:58:09 PM 2390 Views
Came across one of the oldest strength lists I'd seen... - 02/05/2014 10:46:29 PM 1810 Views
#10 seems weird. An Aes Sedai who never reached her full potential? - 03/05/2014 06:43:41 PM 1942 Views
Not weird. There is a good reason. - 03/05/2014 09:30:40 PM 1919 Views
One question... - 03/05/2014 09:44:35 PM 1872 Views
yes to both *NM* - 03/05/2014 10:49:29 PM 1152 Views
Suian? - 04/05/2014 04:50:32 PM 1822 Views
Does not meet the criteria I gave. *NM* - 10/05/2014 05:23:27 AM 1051 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 11/05/2014 05:49:31 AM 1756 Views
Not someone who was severed, burned out, or anything like that. *NM* - 11/05/2014 01:27:28 PM 1068 Views
Did she join the Aes Sedai especially early or late in life? - 11/05/2014 01:47:27 PM 1770 Views
no... - 11/05/2014 04:27:07 PM 1642 Views
Wild guess... - 11/05/2014 06:51:27 PM 1678 Views
One of Terez's criteria - 11/05/2014 09:24:57 PM 1635 Views
Hmmm... - 12/05/2014 08:51:33 AM 1660 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 13/05/2014 06:14:12 PM 1863 Views
Even I don't know what Dom is talking about. *NM* - 13/05/2014 06:24:23 PM 1043 Views
Does it have anything to do with the Sharans? - 13/05/2014 10:35:45 PM 1699 Views
no - 14/05/2014 07:52:27 AM 1738 Views
Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... - 13/05/2014 09:26:02 PM 1781 Views
Kiruna... - 13/05/2014 10:34:32 PM 1728 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 13/05/2014 10:38:05 PM 1591 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 14/05/2014 04:09:42 AM 1680 Views
Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM 1755 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 14/05/2014 07:55:20 AM 1720 Views
- 14/05/2014 08:14:05 AM 1643 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 15/05/2014 03:59:02 AM 1794 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 16/05/2014 04:06:02 PM 1657 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 17/05/2014 03:01:25 AM 1757 Views
Perhaps Romanda? - 05/06/2015 04:22:31 PM 1787 Views
Re: Perhaps Romanda? - 05/06/2015 08:39:31 PM 1453 Views
Re: Wild guess... - 12/05/2014 05:33:53 AM 1792 Views
Alternatively, someone who went to live in Far Madding... - 12/05/2014 12:08:07 PM 1740 Views
That was one of my guesses... - 12/05/2014 04:57:56 PM 1513 Views
Redirect to my initial "Not weird" post. *NM* - 12/05/2014 06:59:02 PM 1058 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 20/05/2014 02:23:13 AM 1662 Views
Lots of no *NM* - 20/05/2014 02:30:25 AM 1081 Views
You're killing me. - 20/05/2014 02:55:21 AM 1667 Views
I won't just tell you :p But... - 20/05/2014 10:31:27 AM 1739 Views
Wild speculation - 20/05/2014 01:39:52 PM 1666 Views
Could it be Verin who always used her angreal? - 20/05/2014 02:07:30 PM 1648 Views
Hmmm - 20/05/2014 03:37:57 PM 1662 Views
Well, I'm not saying she did it to appear weaker... - 20/05/2014 03:48:10 PM 1582 Views
The buffer - 20/05/2014 04:10:58 PM 1710 Views
I doubt using an angreal means you don't progress in natural strength - 20/05/2014 06:02:00 PM 1833 Views
Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 20/05/2014 11:53:11 PM 1722 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 21/05/2014 01:55:15 AM 1656 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 02:33:30 AM 1741 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 05:04:00 AM 1787 Views
So... - 22/05/2014 05:12:48 AM 1642 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 11:55:38 AM 1650 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 24/05/2014 02:07:01 AM 1651 Views
I didn't say that - 24/05/2014 11:24:30 PM 1705 Views
Re: I didn't say that - 25/05/2014 02:32:46 PM 1723 Views
did she deliberately keep her growth slow? A small theory too - 17/05/2015 11:54:28 PM 1620 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 05:49:42 PM 1869 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 06:05:28 PM 1561 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 06:23:28 PM 1832 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 08:37:20 PM 1515 Views
I think this will be in the Encyclopedia, so... - 10/06/2015 03:06:42 PM 1650 Views
you are such a tease *NM* - 10/06/2015 09:05:10 PM 877 Views
Why doesn't someone... - 24/05/2014 11:25:51 PM 1874 Views
Favourite part about this post... - 12/05/2014 07:12:51 AM 1889 Views
With regard to #10- does it involve the Oath Rod, in some way? - 15/05/2014 02:53:45 PM 1669 Views
no *NM* - 15/05/2014 07:16:16 PM 1032 Views
Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! - 17/05/2014 01:32:04 PM 1762 Views
Re: Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! - 17/05/2014 08:45:59 PM 1796 Views
An Aes Sedai who was sent away from the Tower? - 17/05/2014 10:01:44 PM 1813 Views
Again, no reason to think this Aes Sedai did not channel often. *NM* - 18/05/2014 04:32:06 AM 1072 Views
Did the Aes Sedai live in relative seclusion, did she have a Warder, and did that Warder die? *NM* - 20/05/2014 06:03:04 PM 1170 Views
Too specific - 20/05/2014 11:51:25 PM 1722 Views
Re: Too specific - 21/05/2014 05:32:32 AM 1649 Views
You think THAT isn't specific? *NM* - 22/05/2014 02:41:53 AM 1071 Views
It's a fine mess that no one can work out - 09/06/2014 09:20:56 AM 1908 Views
Re: It's a fine mess that no one can work out - 04/06/2015 08:48:20 PM 1916 Views

Reply to Message