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Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM

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Elayne doesn't matter, it's about what Terez said about her. .

As far as I know, all she's said is:
Egwene had reached her full potential by the end. Elayne, Aviendha and Nynaeve had not. One very old Aes Sedai also had not (an exception).

And:


Some might have argued that Elayne and Nynaeve reached it by the end, but they weren't really even close. Nynaeve was closer.

These are the statements you mean, correct? The only other relevant point is her talking about Nynaeve not reaching her potential despite the Cleansing:


Agreed on that point. I guess one all-day workout—even if that is an understatement—isn't quite the same as a daily routine.

To me, this raises the interesting point: forcing happens when you continuously use nearly as much of the OP as you can handle. This makes you reach your potential faster. Does it follow that if you rarely hold the full amount of OP you can, you will reach your potential very slowly?

A strong Aes Sedai who doesn't go about adventuring perhaps won't have to hold all the OP they can very often. Their daily tasks will need very little of the OP, which would be less than what they can hold. Is this the reason for someone not reaching their potential?


It can lead you to make a simple logical deduction. That deduction, in the light of information from the series about Aes Sedai could lead you to one of the reasons why a potential may never be reached.

We know from the books that some Aes Sedai rarely leave the Tower. A Brown, or even one of the other Ajah that is primarily an administrator, may rarely use the OP much, and certainly not all they can. Am I close?
It's not very straight forward as far as clues go (even Terez wondered where I was going with that until I explained it). Once you make the right observation, you need to make a few more deductions. It's logical ones, though.

Hope I get there before the encyclopedia...





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One Power strength: New information from RJ's notes fionwe1987 - 01/05/2014 11:39:32 PM 4488 Views
interesting. i wonder what else they'll dig up AgentApple - 01/05/2014 11:46:19 PM 1839 Views
College of Charleston library Terez - 02/05/2014 12:21:01 AM 1934 Views
Still... really cool, thanks! *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2014 06:35:05 PM 1010 Views
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Danelle Terez - 02/05/2014 12:59:51 AM 1838 Views
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Re: Mesaana darius_sedai - 26/05/2015 10:21:33 PM 1479 Views
Bringing it all together... Shannow - 02/05/2014 10:34:12 AM 1843 Views
Can't accept that, sorry... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 03:17:05 PM 1912 Views
How that CAN be interpreted however, is... Shannow - 02/05/2014 03:38:38 PM 1569 Views
Sorry, no... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 06:00:56 PM 1602 Views
Here are some key flaws, unfortunately... Shannow - 02/05/2014 07:56:53 PM 1471 Views
Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 09:50:23 PM 1527 Views
Re: Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:59:45 PM 1523 Views
Who said the Tower picked weaker channelers? There's an interesting Egwene quote... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:13:08 PM 1568 Views
Not totally accurate darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 11:15:30 PM 1437 Views
Re: Not totally accurate RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 03:23:08 PM 1607 Views
Re: Not totally accurate darius_sedai - 05/06/2015 08:22:13 PM 1448 Views
Re: Not totally accurate RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 09:16:51 PM 1754 Views
Re: Not totally accurate darius_sedai - 06/06/2015 03:48:34 PM 1421 Views
Re: How that CAN be interpreted however, is... DomA - 02/05/2014 09:39:06 PM 1745 Views
Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:57:37 PM 1623 Views
Ahh, the Rand with Egwene and Elayne scene... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:19:05 PM 1834 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. DomA - 02/05/2014 10:45:12 PM 1675 Views
About that... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:48:18 PM 1509 Views
Re: About that... DomA - 02/05/2014 11:12:01 PM 1664 Views
Re: About that... darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 03:07:22 AM 1412 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 03:16:50 PM 1665 Views
Thanks a ton for that Dom... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:24:02 PM 1546 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... DomA - 02/05/2014 11:09:16 PM 1461 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 11:36:55 PM 1616 Views
More on Aiel learners Terez - 03/05/2014 12:46:19 AM 1599 Views
Interesting. fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:32:23 AM 1511 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... DomA - 03/05/2014 01:02:23 AM 1603 Views
Oh... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:35:08 AM 1537 Views
Re: Oh... DomA - 03/05/2014 04:29:34 AM 2091 Views
Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? fionwe1987 - 07/05/2014 01:31:54 AM 1633 Views
Re: Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? DomA - 07/05/2014 02:59:42 AM 1775 Views
Thanks Dom, I'm genuinely puzzled, though... Shannow - 07/05/2014 09:04:08 AM 1653 Views
Some things to consider... fionwe1987 - 07/05/2014 11:22:46 PM 1490 Views
Re: Some things to consider... darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 03:32:22 AM 1423 Views
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his power level? mogi67 - 02/05/2014 04:38:59 PM 1510 Views
mmm, Vegeta *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 08:32:36 AM 1004 Views
Sorilea and comments on the general structure of the notes Terez - 02/05/2014 09:20:26 PM 1823 Views
Is there any reference whatsoever about strength multiples? Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:34:50 PM 1671 Views
I will let you know if I see something like that... Terez - 02/05/2014 10:20:46 PM 1536 Views
Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle Shannow - 03/05/2014 11:04:31 PM 1640 Views
Re: Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle DomA - 04/05/2014 06:16:52 AM 1667 Views
Interesting... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2014 08:14:19 AM 1696 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 05/05/2014 04:08:41 PM 1609 Views
LOL! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 09:46:11 PM 1692 Views
More info on Sorilea Terez - 02/05/2014 10:04:50 PM 1821 Views
This is great! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:23:31 PM 1745 Views
In the original he might have kissed her. Terez - 03/05/2014 12:49:53 AM 1594 Views
Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. MonCul - 05/05/2014 02:53:00 PM 1820 Views
Re: Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. DomA - 05/05/2014 04:25:18 PM 1575 Views
Easy answer Terez - 10/05/2014 02:49:53 PM 1550 Views
Can't argue with that! MonCul - 18/05/2014 12:31:01 AM 1686 Views
Therava/Galina Terez - 10/05/2014 02:58:09 PM 2135 Views
Came across one of the oldest strength lists I'd seen... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:46:29 PM 1616 Views
#10 seems weird. An Aes Sedai who never reached her full potential? beetnemesis - 03/05/2014 06:43:41 PM 1763 Views
Not weird. There is a good reason. Terez - 03/05/2014 09:30:40 PM 1749 Views
One question... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 09:44:35 PM 1698 Views
yes to both *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 10:49:29 PM 1068 Views
Suian? MikeyMikeyMikey - 04/05/2014 04:50:32 PM 1662 Views
I see why you think that, but by the way Aes Sedai judge people on strength, I doubt it beetnemesis - 09/05/2014 03:48:21 PM 1416 Views
Does not meet the criteria I gave. *NM* Terez - 10/05/2014 05:23:27 AM 961 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Dirty - 11/05/2014 05:49:31 AM 1586 Views
Not someone who was severed, burned out, or anything like that. *NM* Terez - 11/05/2014 01:27:28 PM 977 Views
Did she join the Aes Sedai especially early or late in life? beetnemesis - 11/05/2014 01:47:27 PM 1592 Views
no... Terez - 11/05/2014 04:27:07 PM 1466 Views
Wild guess... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2014 06:51:27 PM 1511 Views
One of Terez's criteria DomA - 11/05/2014 09:24:57 PM 1471 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 08:51:33 AM 1472 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 13/05/2014 06:14:12 PM 1653 Views
Even I don't know what Dom is talking about. *NM* Terez - 13/05/2014 06:24:23 PM 954 Views
Does it have anything to do with the Sharans? fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:35:45 PM 1529 Views
no Terez - 14/05/2014 07:52:27 AM 1561 Views
Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... Shannow - 13/05/2014 09:26:02 PM 1586 Views
Kiruna... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:34:32 PM 1493 Views
Re: Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... DomA - 14/05/2014 03:16:24 AM 1615 Views
Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:38:05 PM 1428 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 14/05/2014 04:09:42 AM 1503 Views
Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM 1583 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? Terez - 14/05/2014 07:55:20 AM 1544 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 08:14:05 AM 1472 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 15/05/2014 03:59:02 AM 1616 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 16/05/2014 04:06:02 PM 1474 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 17/05/2014 03:01:25 AM 1584 Views
Perhaps Romanda? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 04:22:31 PM 1618 Views
Re: Perhaps Romanda? darius_sedai - 05/06/2015 08:39:31 PM 1295 Views
Re: Wild guess... Terez - 12/05/2014 05:33:53 AM 1584 Views
Just tell them it is Satelle Anan, or one of those women who got burned out early in life... Shannow - 12/05/2014 11:59:06 AM 1649 Views
Have you even read my subject lines? :p *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 01:05:47 PM 952 Views
Alternatively, someone who went to live in Far Madding... Shannow - 12/05/2014 12:08:07 PM 1555 Views
That was one of my guesses... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 04:57:56 PM 1351 Views
Redirect to my initial "Not weird" post. *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 06:59:02 PM 958 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:23:13 AM 1486 Views
Lots of no *NM* Terez - 20/05/2014 02:30:25 AM 971 Views
You're killing me. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:55:21 AM 1484 Views
I won't just tell you :p But... Terez - 20/05/2014 10:31:27 AM 1579 Views
Wild speculation Zalvera - 20/05/2014 01:39:52 PM 1489 Views
Could it be Verin who always used her angreal? Shannow - 20/05/2014 02:07:30 PM 1477 Views
Hmmm Zalvera - 20/05/2014 03:37:57 PM 1489 Views
Well, I'm not saying she did it to appear weaker... Shannow - 20/05/2014 03:48:10 PM 1396 Views
The buffer Zalvera - 20/05/2014 04:10:58 PM 1509 Views
I doubt using an angreal means you don't progress in natural strength beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:02:00 PM 1669 Views
Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 20/05/2014 11:53:11 PM 1532 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 21/05/2014 01:55:15 AM 1473 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 22/05/2014 02:33:30 AM 1542 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 22/05/2014 05:04:00 AM 1599 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 05:12:48 AM 1446 Views
While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Shannow - 22/05/2014 08:49:02 AM 1465 Views
Re: While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Zalvera - 22/05/2014 12:03:02 PM 1352 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 22/05/2014 11:55:38 AM 1451 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 24/05/2014 02:07:01 AM 1492 Views
I didn't say that Terez - 24/05/2014 11:24:30 PM 1538 Views
Re: I didn't say that DomA - 25/05/2014 02:32:46 PM 1519 Views
did she deliberately keep her growth slow? A small theory too darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 11:54:28 PM 1434 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 05:49:42 PM 1672 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 06:05:28 PM 1382 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 06:23:28 PM 1631 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 08:37:20 PM 1326 Views
I think this will be in the Encyclopedia, so... Terez - 10/06/2015 03:06:42 PM 1473 Views
you are such a tease *NM* darius_sedai - 10/06/2015 09:05:10 PM 792 Views
Why doesn't someone... Terez - 24/05/2014 11:25:51 PM 1671 Views
Favourite part about this post... Duke - 12/05/2014 07:12:51 AM 1692 Views
With regard to #10- does it involve the Oath Rod, in some way? beetnemesis - 15/05/2014 02:53:45 PM 1496 Views
no *NM* Terez - 15/05/2014 07:16:16 PM 941 Views
Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 01:32:04 PM 1564 Views
Re: Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! DomA - 17/05/2014 08:45:59 PM 1606 Views
An Aes Sedai who was sent away from the Tower? beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 10:01:44 PM 1604 Views
Again, no reason to think this Aes Sedai did not channel often. *NM* Terez - 18/05/2014 04:32:06 AM 974 Views
Did the Aes Sedai live in relative seclusion, did she have a Warder, and did that Warder die? *NM* beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:03:04 PM 1080 Views
Too specific Terez - 20/05/2014 11:51:25 PM 1545 Views
Re: Too specific Dirty - 21/05/2014 05:32:32 AM 1458 Views
You think THAT isn't specific? *NM* fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 02:41:53 AM 981 Views
It's a fine mess that no one can work out Sidious - 09/06/2014 09:20:56 AM 1690 Views
Re: It's a fine mess that no one can work out RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 08:48:20 PM 1710 Views
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