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You can say whatever you want, but you're wrong Tom Send a noteboard - 25/02/2017 10:40:58 PM

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View original postWhy does every nation speak the same language but in its own unique accent? Please; Tolkien lampshaded that more than adequately with his conceit of "translating" ME "records" from the ancient "Red Book of Westmarch," whose "Westron" was "actually" closer to Old English or Norse than his modern English version. If anything, that was LESS excusable because he also "transliterated" the language of Rohan AS Old English.

Tolkien wrote such that the humans and hobbits in Western Middle Earth spoke a single language (which made sense since they all lived in the remnants of one kingdom). He also, however, created a dwarven language, two elven languages, a few words of orcish, made it clear the Ents had a language of their own, and also stated that other races of men spoke other languages that were not the same as the single language of the West. Not only that, but as a linguist he made it clear there had been many languages. Even attempting to compare Tolkien to Jordan is just insulting to Tolkien.


View original postAs for character development, I cannot agree it is nonexistent. Many of the characters do fail to grow any more than superficially, but that lack of growth IS the fatal flaw, not in their characterization, but in their character itself: They are Greek tragic heroes, but that is no more an indictment of Jordan than of Aeschylus. Yet many major characters DO grow, a lot.

Again, comparing Jordan to Aeschylus is quite insulting. Aeschylus he was not. I wonder if you even understand the notion of Greek tragedy based on these asinine comments.


View original postRand begins as a petty farmboy whose largest concern is evading chores, but his reaction to a greater destiny warps him into a defiant and then cold tyrant, then a final epiphany forges a firm but compassionately benevolent leader. At first he has no ambition beyond marrying his favorite village girl, then his goal is bitterly sacrificing himself for an ungrateful world, and at last he is eager both to save the world AND survive doing so before vanishing to avert that worlds permanent dependence on him (one alternate realities Rand witnesses while battling the DO surely includes his existence as God Emperor of Dune. )

I suppose he ages a couple of years, too, but that's not character growth. These so-called heroes are just cardboard cutouts of people.

As for the pacing and story line, it was milking the money angle that killed it all. Exhibit 1 for the prosecution: that hideous piece of shit put out as a reference work to the Wheel of Shit Time.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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How did you feel after completing AMoL? - Anonymous2000 - 24/02/2017 04:03:10 AM 1601 Views
Unsatisfied I suppose or perhaps regretful darius_sedai - 24/02/2017 02:54:12 PM 1053 Views
I'll post this again Tom - 25/02/2017 01:29:16 AM 788 Views
Very good post, can't argue with it. Anonymous2000 - 25/02/2017 02:40:18 AM 975 Views
I can argue with some of it Joel - 25/02/2017 09:32:17 PM 900 Views
You can say whatever you want, but you're wrong Tom - 25/02/2017 10:40:58 PM 837 Views
We are not discussing concrete facts, so objective error is impossible Joel - 26/02/2017 01:21:46 AM 962 Views
In any discussion, error is possible. In your discussions, it's a near certainty. Tom - 28/02/2017 08:24:59 PM 790 Views
On a different topic, how important do you think that stuff is? Cannoli - 03/03/2017 07:20:15 AM 907 Views
It's all about suspending disbelief, isn't it? Tom - 04/03/2017 01:13:12 AM 892 Views
That makes a lot of sense. Cannoli - 08/03/2017 10:18:56 PM 889 Views
On further reflection, I think the religion element being left out is important. Tom - 04/03/2017 04:07:53 AM 814 Views
Middle-Earth? Cannoli - 08/03/2017 09:53:45 PM 979 Views
A Elbereth Gilthoniel... Tom - 10/03/2017 04:48:50 PM 830 Views
Morning Star is actually a title of Mary, and the name of a summer camp run by nuns. Cannoli - 25/03/2017 09:59:31 PM 802 Views
Tolkien would also be familiar with Isaiah 14:12 Tom - 27/03/2017 05:09:49 PM 736 Views
Personally, "religion" in WoT makes perfect sense... For the AoL. Not so much the Third Age Dunstan - 09/03/2017 01:55:29 AM 914 Views
But did they really undeniably prove this existence? darius_sedai - 09/03/2017 04:19:43 PM 1024 Views
Re: But did they really undeniably prove this existence? Dunstan - 10/03/2017 07:47:11 AM 1007 Views
I think we are saying similar things darius_sedai - 12/03/2017 08:31:13 PM 916 Views
Some points Cannoli - 25/02/2017 11:54:50 PM 882 Views
Well, some THINGS anyway. Joel - 26/02/2017 01:56:29 AM 847 Views
Your recognition of irony is profound Cannoli - 26/02/2017 08:39:47 AM 806 Views
Not great, but better; what all went to Hell after ACoS, Sanderson at least returned to Purgatory Joel - 25/02/2017 03:39:58 PM 803 Views
MAYBE in the pacing, but that is it. Sanderson got absolutely nothing else right beyond the events *NM* Cannoli - 25/02/2017 11:59:06 PM 656 Views
mosty disappointment damookster - 27/02/2017 10:15:29 PM 813 Views
Exhausted zodiac2000 - 27/02/2017 10:52:51 PM 820 Views
Total agree about Moiraine's return..... Anonymous2000 - 28/02/2017 03:57:57 AM 844 Views
With Demandred... That was likely at least somewhat the point. Dunstan - 28/02/2017 06:09:13 AM 793 Views
Not best pleased. nossy - 27/02/2017 11:59:06 PM 761 Views
It felt like the end of Grease when the car flew off Delireus - 01/03/2017 02:22:19 AM 821 Views
Re: It felt like the end of Grease when the car flew off Dunstan - 01/03/2017 08:39:23 AM 935 Views
Re: It felt like the end of Grease when the car flew off Delireus - 01/03/2017 11:23:18 PM 911 Views
Re: It felt like the end of Grease when the car flew off Dunstan - 02/03/2017 06:07:12 AM 795 Views
I still haven't read it. Stephen - 01/03/2017 08:03:53 PM 754 Views
Interesting, any reason why you haven't read it yet? *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/03/2017 10:26:21 PM 472 Views
It was the end of their world as I knew it, and I felt fine. *NM* Cannoli - 02/03/2017 11:13:25 PM 500 Views
You were just happy that you-know-who died! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 03/03/2017 02:47:38 AM 509 Views
Disappointed, shocked, relieved. The Shrike - 03/03/2017 04:44:56 PM 752 Views
Curious - what were you hoping to happen to Rand at the end? *NM* Anonymous2000 - 03/03/2017 09:00:12 PM 524 Views
Me too! Delireus - 04/03/2017 10:19:21 AM 701 Views
Guess I'm in the minority, because I felt quite satisfied, all things considered. PseudoDragon - 03/03/2017 06:13:27 PM 648 Views
I cried and I was glad it was over! kazetaran - 04/03/2017 09:13:03 PM 843 Views
The Fouth Age is quite a fun little sandbox. Full of possibilities. *NM* *NM* Dunstan - 05/03/2017 07:11:30 AM 471 Views
there's just SO MUCH that could happen Delireus - 05/03/2017 09:33:26 AM 849 Views
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