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Morning Star is actually a title of Mary, and the name of a summer camp run by nuns. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 25/03/2017 09:59:31 PM


There are also the numerous professions of faith which are, yes, usually in Elven ( A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna miriel... ), but mentions are made of the Star of Earendil (a corruption of the Anglo-Saxon name for the morning star; this is of course somewhat ironic given its Luciferan connections) and the light shining in the darkness, etc.

Tolkein being a pre-Vatican 2 Catholic, I'm pretty sure that was what he had in mind. Whatever the literal etymology, Catholics generally refer to him as Satan, and his pre-Fall angelic title as Light Bearer. Morning Star is not the first thing that comes to anyone's mind in regards to the Devil.
Cannoli
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