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lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM

Ishamael has hurt the Shadow more than any of the main protagonists of the Light have.

Even in the War of Power, he was more concerned about turning Lews Therin than killing him. When Rand was born he had direct access to him on countless occasions but tried to taunt and convert him, rather than kill him. This applies to all of the ta'veren.

He injured Moiraine instead of killing her, and she became one of Rand's most valuable advisors, and the reason Lanfear failed against Rand.

Even since his rebirth he has forbidden his Forsaken to kill Rand, and he actively rescued Rand against Sammael. He didn't even fight at the Cleansing, and told the Forsaken to kill Rand only if they really have to.

His desire to have the Dragon as his puppet and subordinate has been the biggest detriment to the Shadow since the War of Power.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1579 Views
Nyneave wins hands down - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 830 Views
Nyneave has done more - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 795 Views
Nynaeve! - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 745 Views
I'd say Mat - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 825 Views
are you sure? - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 845 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 815 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1032 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 747 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 358 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 796 Views
Immaterial. - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 662 Views
It has to be Moiraine - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 848 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 921 Views
So you think the story would have panned out - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 681 Views
None. *NM* - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 345 Views
That's highly subjective - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 734 Views
Re: That's highly subjective - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 681 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 688 Views
All of them - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 815 Views
Those were only visions - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 708 Views
They may have only been visions... - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 751 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 697 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 830 Views
That all goes without saying - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 620 Views
I disagree - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 720 Views
Re: I disagree - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 714 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 675 Views
Does that mean he'd win? - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 707 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 651 Views
Not really what I was arguing. - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 674 Views
Good points - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 781 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 350 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 952 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 811 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 716 Views
That is true for most people if not all - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 728 Views
He's got a point though... - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 779 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 685 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 339 Views
Ishamael/Moridin - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 946 Views
Good call - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 762 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 855 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 328 Views
You make it sound very simple - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 773 Views
No - it is very simple - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 729 Views
Not necessarily- - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 740 Views
surely a draw meant resealing - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 676 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 792 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 855 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 820 Views

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