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Not necessarily- Digital_Eon Send a noteboard - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM

The only way the Light can win is if the Dragon survives. Therefore they need to kill him. Even if the Pattern could spit out a new Dragon, it would take at least 20 years for that man to gain the ability to channel, by which time the Shadow would have overrun the world and freed the Dark One. There is no indication in the series that the death of the Dragon Reborn would be anything other than catastrophic for the fate of the world.

Moridin's plan is transparent - it always has been.


Didn't RJ say (I cannot remember the source at all - probably in a Tor Q&A, though, so I could be fairly wrong) that the Light doesn't always win - that a draw is possible, and has happened before? The Light might need the Dragon (Reborn) to win, but not having him doesn't mean they'll lose, either.

I always thought the only way for the Dark One to win was to have the Dragon/Reborn actually lose - if he's dead, things will just end up in a draw. That would explain Ishy's strange desire to keep Rand alive for most of the series, only deciding to kill him when it became clear that a draw (with the Dark having no chance of winning) would be better than a flat-out defeat.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1791 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 1041 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 981 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 921 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 986 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 1007 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 979 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1190 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 952 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 436 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 969 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 839 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 1010 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 1154 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 850 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 423 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 928 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 855 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 877 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 966 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 878 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 965 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 871 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 1013 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 791 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 936 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 892 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 884 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 901 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 850 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 865 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 957 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 433 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 1139 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 1033 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 887 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 911 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 967 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 843 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 413 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 1170 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 962 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 815 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 1083 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 404 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 985 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 951 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 931 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 837 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 980 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 1047 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 987 Views
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