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I agree with you Sidious Send a noteboard - 05/11/2009 07:32:39 PM
Reminds me of the theories (which I and others supported) that Semirhage actually must have had a more clever plan than to simply try capturing Rand disguised as Tuon in KoD. The main reason was that we thought that a Top Forsaken like Semirhage wouldn't be that stupid. But we learned in TGS that Semirhage indeed failed greatly. Graendal wasn't even stupid in TGS, but the Semirhage-lesson taught me that no Forsaken is such intelligent as the "Graendal escaped"-followers believe now. She simply couldn't anticipate Rand's action.

Besides that, it makes more sense that Graendal's storyline was ended that way to concentrate on other things in the last two books, similar to Masema's, Semirhage's, Suroth's, Sevanna's, Galina's and maybe Elaida's conclusion.


The build up to Graendal from Lews Therin's point of view is based on the riddle, 'how do you beat someone who is cleverer than you on every level'? No one could answer him, and Lews Therin had no idea how to defeat her - but he had ways to defeat Lanfear, Sammael and other Chosen. To him, she was the supreme puzzle.

Rand derives the answer 'let her think you're playing her game then punch her in the face'. He balefired the entire palace. It was instant, unpredictable and total - she didn't have a chance.

If Graendal survived it will make Rand seem like a fool because even though he derived the answer, he failed. It doesn't make sense. Cadsuane had to work out how to break Semirhage, and Rand had to work out how to defeat a mind manipulator. They both succeeded.

The reversal of the Compulsion was specifically inserted to show that she'd died. It strains credibility to think that she'd perfected that timing, while at the same time she had to avoid the biggest blast of balefire since the War of Power. She also had no way to know that Rand would use balefire, so why would she create the 'unweaving' subterfuge. Rand might have used a giant fireball or swallowed the palace into the earth. If the Compulsion had unravelled then, she would have looked really stupid. Graendal cannot be as omniscient as others are portraying - she merely had the ability to invoke an atrocity because she couldn't be defeated in other ways.
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Graendal - maybe the deadliest Forsaken - 05/11/2009 07:00:12 AM 1764 Views
It has definitely been hinted - 05/11/2009 08:37:04 AM 816 Views
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I'm divided on it.. - 05/11/2009 07:19:07 PM 670 Views
Here's the deal, though. Semirhage actions actually followed part of the theory to a tee. - 05/11/2009 07:21:21 PM 674 Views
Ah, anyway... - 05/11/2009 07:58:05 PM 619 Views
I agree with you - 05/11/2009 07:32:39 PM 696 Views
Exactly. - 05/11/2009 07:56:00 PM 899 Views
I just don't understand the logic here - 05/11/2009 07:25:20 PM 745 Views
It's quite simple logic. - 05/11/2009 08:05:15 PM 742 Views
Then how did she do it? - 05/11/2009 09:41:53 PM 648 Views
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It is a possibility. - 06/11/2009 03:43:22 AM 642 Views
Hmm, I have some problems with this - 06/11/2009 04:23:23 AM 734 Views
Some points no one addressed, a.k.a. Graendal lured Rand in... - 06/11/2009 05:16:12 AM 700 Views
Still no answers. I think I'm correct in feeling she is alive. *NM* - 06/11/2009 09:25:47 PM 267 Views
Re: Hmm, I have some problems with this - 06/11/2009 02:34:54 PM 703 Views
But... - 06/11/2009 02:56:32 PM 645 Views
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She's definitely the deadiest - 05/11/2009 02:05:23 PM 743 Views
I think she escaped, but it says something that he had to become worse than a Forsaken to do it - 05/11/2009 06:10:08 PM 641 Views
Eventually they will be reborn... - 05/11/2009 06:30:45 PM 582 Views
Thanks for reminding me. Oh well, then I'm stuck with the whole tearing apart the Pattern thing - 05/11/2009 06:44:35 PM 611 Views
Moiraine says. - 05/11/2009 07:02:10 PM 629 Views
In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter. - 05/11/2009 07:14:44 PM 644 Views
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From what I keep hearing - 05/11/2009 08:58:57 PM 667 Views
I could well believe it - 05/11/2009 11:03:40 PM 568 Views
Re: In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter. - 06/11/2009 09:00:01 PM 547 Views
I conceed to Rand's point - 05/11/2009 06:31:38 PM 728 Views
I don't think it's acceptable to tear apart the Pattern to save it. - 05/11/2009 06:40:22 PM 579 Views
True... - 05/11/2009 06:57:24 PM 606 Views
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I always thought she was the most dangerous of the chicks. - 06/11/2009 04:28:43 AM 705 Views
Difference between being dangerous and hard to kill--but, she is dangerous - 08/11/2009 02:19:34 AM 672 Views
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Graendal also made chaos in Shara, though... - 24/11/2009 06:36:15 PM 532 Views
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meh - 19/12/2009 11:56:12 PM 555 Views

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