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Re: fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM

He seemed to listen to them a great deal, even when he was being 'dark Rand'. If either had presented a doable plan that was less risky why would he not do it.

Because he was going his own way? He chastised Nynaeve for going to the prison for gods sake!
And since when is "my friends did not come up with a better plan" an acceptable excuse for an atrocity?

Perhaps right after you prove that it wasn't in the pattern's best interest for Rand to do what Rand did.

The ripples of what Rand did were felt as far away as Bandar Eban. People in the know, from Nynaeve, to Cadsuane to Sorilea to Rand himself acknowledge that Balefire can greatly harm the Pattern, and large quantities can really destabilize it.
Now that I'm done, go ahead and prove what I asked you to.


Show me how the Pattern would want Rand to be a slave to a forsaken. The pattern directed Rand to do want was necessary for the pattern as a whole. Unless the pattern wanted Rand to destroy all of creation he wouldn't have.

Read the damn books. The Pattern has no control over the DO or the True Power. RJ made it abundantly clear the Pattern cannot factor in the DO into its plans. If the Pattern wanted Rand to escape Semrihage, it would have ensured that Aviendha or Nynaeve or Cadsuane were present so they could stop Semi.
And if the Pattern did not want Rand to destroy it, if it had any control over him, i wouldn't have let him come all the way to Dragonmount, to the very brink of destroying all. To quote you, a dead pigeon would have knocked the CK out of Rand's hand when he attacked Tam.

If you can not defend your argument even when dead pegeons enter the discussion then you have truly lost the argument.


Has not the pattern intervened in the past?
Think of how Verin was led to Mat. The pattern gets what the pattern wants. The method the pattern chooses can very to anything as long as the end result matches what the pattern intended.

In all the cases where the Pattern is directly interfering, the people being interfered with feel a tugging sensation. Perrin and Mat felt the same thing Verin felt when they were being pulled in one way or another by the Pattern. Rand felt no such thing when he went to attack Graendal.
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