Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question)
Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM
Everyone here has noted Rand's mass atrocity. Rand most likely killed dozens of Graendal's innocent pawns of Graendal when he balefired her palace. Rand did this to get rid of a necessary evil, and the people he killed were beyond saving anyway.
IMO, the only really bad thing Rand did was by burning them out of the pattern. Those people he killed will never have a chance to live again.
Contrast Rand's mass atrocity to what Egwene did. Egwene ordered the novices and Aes Sedai to kill all the Aes Sedai sisters that were captured by the Seanchan. Since Egwene was the brunt of the attack on the Seanchan-- we can assume that Egwene killed several innocent Aes Sedai-- possibly a dozen or more. Egwene also had to kill these Aes Sedai to achieve a greater good-- to keep the Seanchan from learning traveling. While it seems that Rand suceeded in his mission, Egwene was not successful in preventing the Seanchan from learning traveling.
It can be argued, therefore, that Egwene made a needless sacrifice of several Aes Sedai.
Who was worse in this case? If you were a judge, who would you penalize most? Also consider that Rand was insane and Egwene had full sanity.
IMO, the only really bad thing Rand did was by burning them out of the pattern. Those people he killed will never have a chance to live again.
Contrast Rand's mass atrocity to what Egwene did. Egwene ordered the novices and Aes Sedai to kill all the Aes Sedai sisters that were captured by the Seanchan. Since Egwene was the brunt of the attack on the Seanchan-- we can assume that Egwene killed several innocent Aes Sedai-- possibly a dozen or more. Egwene also had to kill these Aes Sedai to achieve a greater good-- to keep the Seanchan from learning traveling. While it seems that Rand suceeded in his mission, Egwene was not successful in preventing the Seanchan from learning traveling.
It can be argued, therefore, that Egwene made a needless sacrifice of several Aes Sedai.
Who was worse in this case? If you were a judge, who would you penalize most? Also consider that Rand was insane and Egwene had full sanity.
This message last edited by Matrimony Cauthon on 13/11/2009 at 06:25:41 PM
Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question)
- 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM
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Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured
- 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM
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That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM
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Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM*
- 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM
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In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM*
- 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM
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Wrong and unreasonable.
- 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM
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It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM*
- 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM
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"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured"
- 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM
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Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured"
- 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM
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Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day.
- 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM
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When teenagers were physically punished in schools
- 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM
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Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight.
- 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM
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Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens
- 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM
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Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens
- 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM
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Forcible turning is not the only method
- 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM
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But...
- 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM
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The point is
- 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM
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They were tried. *NM*
- 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM
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Mock trials
- 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM
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Proof?
- 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM
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And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death.
- 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM
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Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only.
- 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM
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They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM
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How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then?
- 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM
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There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM
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She did not target her own people...
- 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM
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You seem to be contradicting yourself here
- 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM
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Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM*
- 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM
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Considering the power she had in her hands
- 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM
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typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people
- 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM
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Nothing wrong with that.
- 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM
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Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question)
- 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM
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Neither is an atrocity...
- 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM
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Re: Neither is an atrocity...
- 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM
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Bull Sh!t!
- 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM
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Come on now...
- 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM
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Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM
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Re: Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM
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Re: Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM
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Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t
- 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM
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So...
- 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM
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Re: So...
- 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM
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Not at all...
- 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM
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Re: Not at all...
- 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM
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Rand.
- 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM
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But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM
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Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences.
- 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM
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Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing)
- 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM
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