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If you read it in context, the list he is referring to is a female list... Shannow Send a noteboard - 17/11/2009 07:41:18 PM
There will be much more to come, but I just posted the details of my Q&A time with Brandon over on the 13th depository.

Sidious - this is a must read for you. Brandon is pretty forthcoming on strength issues. You should find people to ask more of these questions.

Have fun with it all!


How can Cyndane be very, very weak in the Power?

And is he sure or not sure about the Semirahge vs Nynaeve strength comparison? Why does he say "he is pretty sure Nynaeve is stronger?" Either she is or she isn't.

Also, who are the six women stronger than Nynaeve then, if Semirhage isn't one of them?

I wonder if he knows what he's talking about. I think BS needs to have a good look at that strength list of RJ's before guessing about these things.


RJ has a list of all the channeler’s strengths. On that list, only 6 people are stronger than Nynaeve.
That sounds like a fact, not a guess. Also, no matter how hard I look, I can't see the word woman anywhere. Only that "only 6 people are stronger than Nynaeve". It's certainly possible that the list is separated between men and women, but IMO it sounds like it isnt.
Rand, Moridin, Demandred, Graendal, Cyndane, Sammael?



My view is that he remembers there are 6 people above Nynaeve, but he can't remember who exactly they all are.

We definitely have Lanfear, Alivia and Sharina.

That leaves 3. Normally, I would have said they are Cyndane, Graendal and Semirhage. But BS seems to think Semirhage is just below Nynaeve. Although he isn't 100% sure.

As for Graendal, well, if Cyndane is "very, very weak", then Graendal is even weaker, so that would put both of them below Nynaeve. After all, if Nynaeve is of such exceptional strength, according to BS, then there is no way he can classify someone ABOVE her as being very, very weak.

He also clearly does not know from memory exactly where Mesaana lies - shocking, from my point of view.

Personally, I believe that when he goes and looks at the "new" list again, he will most likely see the following six names above Nynaeve.

Lanfear
Cyndane
Alivia
Semirhage
Graendal
Sharina

As for his comment about Cyndane being weak, well, I think he just totally confused her with someone else.
This message last edited by Shannow on 17/11/2009 at 07:45:08 PM
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my Q&A and time spent with Brandon Sanderson kcf - 17/11/2009 04:23:32 PM 2309 Views
Cyndane is "very, very weak"?! Etzel - 17/11/2009 04:41:32 PM 1172 Views
Maybe Asmo doesn't count as a Forsaken anymore and what is MAFO? Dragonsworn - 17/11/2009 05:35:05 PM 1151 Views
MAFO refers to Maria, RJ's assistant. Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:46:08 PM 3237 Views
Yes... Etzel - 17/11/2009 06:02:26 PM 1737 Views
I'm just reporting on the discussion kcf - 17/11/2009 09:04:56 PM 977 Views
I asked Brandon to clarify last night in Pasadena about Cyndane rhiane - 18/11/2009 05:22:14 PM 930 Views
Do you realise what this means! We now have a clear strength list among the female Forsaken... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:42:51 PM 903 Views
That means, though Etzel - 18/11/2009 05:48:15 PM 845 Views
I've started a new thread, giving the new, DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list. Yay!!! *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:58:03 PM 471 Views
Re: Do you realise what this means! We now have a clear strength list among the female Forsaken... rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:27:06 PM 1045 Views
Thanks! Etzel - 18/11/2009 05:50:35 PM 891 Views
That doesn't crush the Be'lal theories. rAndy aL - 19/11/2009 01:13:32 AM 823 Views
trust me, it does kcf - 19/11/2009 04:22:47 AM 868 Views
I apparently have to Log In to read this. Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:33:03 PM 1140 Views
You don't need the email confirmation! Dragonsworn - 17/11/2009 05:36:40 PM 1084 Views
Hm. I could have sworn I saw something about an email confirmation. Thanks. *NM* Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:38:14 PM 467 Views
Naw how about you quote it for us in a new post *NM* Lord o' Salv - 18/11/2009 12:18:52 AM 531 Views
The strength comparisons don't make sense... Shannow - 17/11/2009 06:26:05 PM 1083 Views
Re: The strength comparisons don't make sense... Lordling - 17/11/2009 06:55:39 PM 902 Views
BS also says in this context... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:05:25 PM 901 Views
If you read it in context, the list he is referring to is a female list... Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:41:18 PM 961 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:48:36 PM 785 Views
How do we explain BS stating that he is "pretty sure Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage?" Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:51:39 PM 1327 Views
Difficult... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:58:41 PM 973 Views
Pahus! Yeah, you´re correct *NM* Lordling - 17/11/2009 07:59:49 PM 476 Views
Re: The strength comparisons don't make sense... Kaldric - 17/11/2009 07:22:38 PM 1079 Views
I think he mis-spoke just a bit VTHokie - 17/11/2009 07:37:24 PM 797 Views
He wasn/t 100% sure of Semirhage... *NM* Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:44:11 PM 461 Views
forgetting Cyndane, it does kcf - 17/11/2009 08:56:16 PM 945 Views
No Forsaken knew, when the Cleansing would happen... Etzel - 17/11/2009 09:43:04 PM 1019 Views
Re: No Forsaken knew, when the Cleansing would happen... kcf - 17/11/2009 09:48:31 PM 862 Views
Talaan and Someryn are pure guesses from Dom... Shannow - 17/11/2009 10:06:56 PM 971 Views
Elayne at the beginning of PoD thinks Talaan is at least as great as Nyn NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 12:23:31 AM 843 Views
She defeats her (eventually) guttering flame - 18/11/2009 06:08:08 AM 800 Views
Sharina for sure NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 12:10:08 AM 843 Views
Thanks Ken! Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 07:07:03 PM 843 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! Kaldric - 17/11/2009 07:30:07 PM 934 Views
It almost has to be Justice Matrimony Cauthon - 17/11/2009 07:30:32 PM 883 Views
I agree, Justice makes the most sense plotwise! *NM* Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:49:41 PM 590 Views
But here's the thing.... Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 10:27:55 PM 926 Views
I think the clues still point to it being Justice Matrimony Cauthon - 17/11/2009 10:37:44 PM 1024 Views
I was just making argument Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 11:05:18 PM 918 Views
Guaire Amalasan! Legolas - 18/11/2009 12:50:09 AM 929 Views
Maybe Hawkwing took Justice from Amalasan after the Battle of the Jolvaine Pass? Werthead - 18/11/2009 02:09:03 AM 972 Views
That was the crazy part - I named him as one of LitN's "other channelers producing weapons". Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:17:25 AM 826 Views
Re: Guaire Amalasan! Light in the Night - 18/11/2009 09:18:37 AM 959 Views
And I appreciate your arguments! Matrimony Cauthon - 18/11/2009 08:49:55 AM 879 Views
Perhaps it's a "Sword for the Ages" Light in the Night - 18/11/2009 09:26:00 AM 799 Views
Where does it say it was found in water? guttering flame - 18/11/2009 09:36:52 AM 758 Views
Min's PoV said that it was found in water underneath a statue Matrimony Cauthon - 18/11/2009 09:47:12 AM 877 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! DomA - 17/11/2009 07:58:31 PM 906 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! kcf - 17/11/2009 09:07:23 PM 826 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 10:41:27 PM 804 Views
Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? Logain - 17/11/2009 11:11:48 PM 1029 Views
Re: Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? kcf - 17/11/2009 11:26:30 PM 880 Views
My theories of what Brandon could have meant about Cyndane. Logain - 17/11/2009 11:25:30 PM 963 Views
Who is the Aiel chick with all the one power strength? I forget who, but she is Shaido. *NM* Logain - 17/11/2009 11:34:42 PM 469 Views
Someryn *NM* kcf - 17/11/2009 11:38:42 PM 480 Views
One of the women stronger than Nynaeve is probably a Sharan Logain - 17/11/2009 11:53:12 PM 826 Views
don't read too much into this kcf - 18/11/2009 12:00:19 AM 815 Views
It could be true Logain - 18/11/2009 02:14:50 AM 843 Views
This is RJ's Wheel of Time we're talking about. Not David Eddings. *NM* Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:18:08 AM 449 Views
Cyndane's body guttering flame - 18/11/2009 06:22:45 AM 810 Views
Not her body, her identity - that she is Lanfear... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:38:21 AM 784 Views
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