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I was just making argument Light in the Night Send a noteboard - 17/11/2009 11:05:18 PM
But as far as I know, do we know for certain that Hawkwing had a hawk sigil on his scabbard? I can easily see Hawkwing carrying a sword with a dragon on it, merely because of the huge symbolical and historical meaning of it.


"As for Rand saying it reminded him of the last time he was in Falme, well, he ended up appearing in the sky, proclaiming for all the world, that the Dragon had been reborn, and, he used a similar sword to fight Ishamael with. (Those are two reasons right there.)"

I am not sure if Rand's old sword would remind him of this one other than they are both power-wrought. Tam's old sword also had a heron on it, and Rand's new one doesn't. Why wouldn't Rand think of his other-power wrought-sword that Aviendha gave him then?

Finally, Rand specifically mentioned that this was centuries old not thousands of years old. That timeline corresponds better to Justice than the alternative you speak of.

I think if we add in the prophecy that mentions the sword and Justice together, we have extra weight that the sword is actually Justice.


I think BS doesn't want to commit to a solid answer. It does make more sense, prophetically speaking, if it is Justice.

And just to be argumentative again. The Second Oath, (the one against making a weapon), was the first oath adopted after the War of Shadow, according to the BWB, page 213. Any Power-wrought sword would be several thousand years old, unless there were other channelers out there producing them that we don't know about.
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my Q&A and time spent with Brandon Sanderson kcf - 17/11/2009 04:23:32 PM 2488 Views
Cyndane is "very, very weak"?! Etzel - 17/11/2009 04:41:32 PM 1359 Views
Maybe Asmo doesn't count as a Forsaken anymore and what is MAFO? Dragonsworn - 17/11/2009 05:35:05 PM 1344 Views
MAFO refers to Maria, RJ's assistant. Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:46:08 PM 3411 Views
Yes... Etzel - 17/11/2009 06:02:26 PM 1931 Views
I'm just reporting on the discussion kcf - 17/11/2009 09:04:56 PM 1162 Views
I asked Brandon to clarify last night in Pasadena about Cyndane rhiane - 18/11/2009 05:22:14 PM 1137 Views
Do you realise what this means! We now have a clear strength list among the female Forsaken... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:42:51 PM 1134 Views
That means, though Etzel - 18/11/2009 05:48:15 PM 1013 Views
I've started a new thread, giving the new, DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list. Yay!!! *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:58:03 PM 570 Views
Re: Do you realise what this means! We now have a clear strength list among the female Forsaken... rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:27:06 PM 1250 Views
Thanks! Etzel - 18/11/2009 05:50:35 PM 1102 Views
That doesn't crush the Be'lal theories. rAndy aL - 19/11/2009 01:13:32 AM 1014 Views
trust me, it does kcf - 19/11/2009 04:22:47 AM 1053 Views
I apparently have to Log In to read this. Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:33:03 PM 1416 Views
You don't need the email confirmation! Dragonsworn - 17/11/2009 05:36:40 PM 1264 Views
Hm. I could have sworn I saw something about an email confirmation. Thanks. *NM* Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:38:14 PM 591 Views
Naw how about you quote it for us in a new post *NM* Lord o' Salv - 18/11/2009 12:18:52 AM 615 Views
The strength comparisons don't make sense... Shannow - 17/11/2009 06:26:05 PM 1276 Views
Re: The strength comparisons don't make sense... Lordling - 17/11/2009 06:55:39 PM 1084 Views
BS also says in this context... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:05:25 PM 1095 Views
If you read it in context, the list he is referring to is a female list... Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:41:18 PM 1150 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:48:36 PM 977 Views
How do we explain BS stating that he is "pretty sure Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage?" Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:51:39 PM 1527 Views
Difficult... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:58:41 PM 1158 Views
Pahus! Yeah, you´re correct *NM* Lordling - 17/11/2009 07:59:49 PM 564 Views
Re: The strength comparisons don't make sense... Kaldric - 17/11/2009 07:22:38 PM 1269 Views
I think he mis-spoke just a bit VTHokie - 17/11/2009 07:37:24 PM 973 Views
He wasn/t 100% sure of Semirhage... *NM* Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:44:11 PM 544 Views
forgetting Cyndane, it does kcf - 17/11/2009 08:56:16 PM 1160 Views
No Forsaken knew, when the Cleansing would happen... Etzel - 17/11/2009 09:43:04 PM 1214 Views
Re: No Forsaken knew, when the Cleansing would happen... kcf - 17/11/2009 09:48:31 PM 1054 Views
Talaan and Someryn are pure guesses from Dom... Shannow - 17/11/2009 10:06:56 PM 1138 Views
Elayne at the beginning of PoD thinks Talaan is at least as great as Nyn NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 12:23:31 AM 1037 Views
She defeats her (eventually) guttering flame - 18/11/2009 06:08:08 AM 993 Views
Sharina for sure NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 12:10:08 AM 1026 Views
Thanks Ken! Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 07:07:03 PM 1013 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! Kaldric - 17/11/2009 07:30:07 PM 1121 Views
It almost has to be Justice Matrimony Cauthon - 17/11/2009 07:30:32 PM 1058 Views
I agree, Justice makes the most sense plotwise! *NM* Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:49:41 PM 681 Views
But here's the thing.... Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 10:27:55 PM 1123 Views
I think the clues still point to it being Justice Matrimony Cauthon - 17/11/2009 10:37:44 PM 1223 Views
I was just making argument Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 11:05:18 PM 1116 Views
Guaire Amalasan! Legolas - 18/11/2009 12:50:09 AM 1142 Views
Maybe Hawkwing took Justice from Amalasan after the Battle of the Jolvaine Pass? Werthead - 18/11/2009 02:09:03 AM 1184 Views
That was the crazy part - I named him as one of LitN's "other channelers producing weapons". Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:17:25 AM 1020 Views
Re: Guaire Amalasan! Light in the Night - 18/11/2009 09:18:37 AM 1153 Views
And I appreciate your arguments! Matrimony Cauthon - 18/11/2009 08:49:55 AM 1075 Views
Perhaps it's a "Sword for the Ages" Light in the Night - 18/11/2009 09:26:00 AM 1001 Views
Where does it say it was found in water? guttering flame - 18/11/2009 09:36:52 AM 944 Views
Min's PoV said that it was found in water underneath a statue Matrimony Cauthon - 18/11/2009 09:47:12 AM 1078 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! DomA - 17/11/2009 07:58:31 PM 1099 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! kcf - 17/11/2009 09:07:23 PM 1006 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 10:41:27 PM 981 Views
Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? Logain - 17/11/2009 11:11:48 PM 1238 Views
Re: Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? kcf - 17/11/2009 11:26:30 PM 1078 Views
My theories of what Brandon could have meant about Cyndane. Logain - 17/11/2009 11:25:30 PM 1198 Views
Who is the Aiel chick with all the one power strength? I forget who, but she is Shaido. *NM* Logain - 17/11/2009 11:34:42 PM 565 Views
Someryn *NM* kcf - 17/11/2009 11:38:42 PM 571 Views
One of the women stronger than Nynaeve is probably a Sharan Logain - 17/11/2009 11:53:12 PM 990 Views
don't read too much into this kcf - 18/11/2009 12:00:19 AM 995 Views
It could be true Logain - 18/11/2009 02:14:50 AM 1018 Views
This is RJ's Wheel of Time we're talking about. Not David Eddings. *NM* Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:18:08 AM 554 Views
Cyndane's body guttering flame - 18/11/2009 06:22:45 AM 1005 Views
Not her body, her identity - that she is Lanfear... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:38:21 AM 960 Views
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