If the Forsaken really wanted to defeat the Light - gateways at the bottom of the ocean...
Shannow Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 02:02:59 PM
It takes about 10 seconds to create and tie off 6 gateways, right. I'm guessing a Forsaken strength channeler can create maybe 100 gateways per day before being exhausted?
So, if the Forsaken really wanted to destroy civilization and sow chaos in the world, why didn't one of them Travel to the middle of the ocean, and start creating gateways at the bottom of the sea? The other end of the gateway could open up into outer space, and be tied off.
If Ishamael had spent just a small portion of his cycles of freedom over the last 3000 years doing this, the Shadow could have had 1000's of gateways at the bottom of the ocean by now. The difference in pressure between the bottom of the sea and outer space is tremendous, and the result would have been an incredibly powerful flood of water draining out of the oceans and emptying into space.
Over the course of 3000 years, the ocean would probably have drained away, or at least decreased in volume by a significant percentage.
Without oceans, the planet cannot generate water vapor, clouds and rain.
Therefore, over three thousand years the entire world would probably have become like the Aiel waste - if not worse. No crops, no cities, no civilization.
The Shadow's victory would have been much easier.
OK. Let's hear the weaknesses in my plan.
So, if the Forsaken really wanted to destroy civilization and sow chaos in the world, why didn't one of them Travel to the middle of the ocean, and start creating gateways at the bottom of the sea? The other end of the gateway could open up into outer space, and be tied off.
If Ishamael had spent just a small portion of his cycles of freedom over the last 3000 years doing this, the Shadow could have had 1000's of gateways at the bottom of the ocean by now. The difference in pressure between the bottom of the sea and outer space is tremendous, and the result would have been an incredibly powerful flood of water draining out of the oceans and emptying into space.
Over the course of 3000 years, the ocean would probably have drained away, or at least decreased in volume by a significant percentage.
Without oceans, the planet cannot generate water vapor, clouds and rain.
Therefore, over three thousand years the entire world would probably have become like the Aiel waste - if not worse. No crops, no cities, no civilization.
The Shadow's victory would have been much easier.
OK. Let's hear the weaknesses in my plan.
This message last edited by Shannow on 20/11/2009 at 02:35:20 PM
If the Forsaken really wanted to defeat the Light - gateways at the bottom of the ocean...
20/11/2009 02:02:59 PM
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I've actually thought that would be a great way to make a power plant.
20/11/2009 02:48:21 PM
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The Forsaken don't think like that
20/11/2009 02:57:27 PM
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I specifically referred to Ishamael, who shares none of those motivations with the other Forsaken...
20/11/2009 03:11:26 PM
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What in the world... outer space?? This is fantasy, not sci-fi
*NM*
20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM
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RJ has stated that channelers can Travel to other planets, even other solar systems...
20/11/2009 03:12:37 PM
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I didn't expect him to answer that question, it was just something I was wondering about
20/11/2009 04:06:53 PM
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OK...
20/11/2009 05:15:32 PM
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Moghedien talks about how they travelled to other stars in the Age of Legends...
20/11/2009 06:09:17 PM
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Because it is a world that is undergoing an industrial revolution
21/11/2009 01:19:28 AM
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This brings up an "Evil Wins, What Next?" scenario I've always wondered about
20/11/2009 03:39:14 PM
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The DO doesn't have the motivations of the forsaken, he doesn't think like a human...
22/11/2009 03:38:15 PM
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They would have to know the bottom of the ocean very well to create. *NM*
20/11/2009 05:02:50 PM
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Wouldn't be too hard, given Rand's trick. *NM*
20/11/2009 05:12:22 PM
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Intense preasure would kill you before you could weave or a hell of a shield bubble *NM*
20/11/2009 07:01:58 PM
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Gateway "magic" accounts for this, or most gateways would have STRONG breeze
20/11/2009 06:43:44 PM
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Very conducive places, the bottom of the sea and outer space...
20/11/2009 07:01:56 PM
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Knee jerk disagreement without thinking beyond: "I don't like the idea so let's flame it..."
20/11/2009 07:12:38 PM
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And your response is even sillier ideas? Think for more than three minutes before responding again.
20/11/2009 11:08:59 PM
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You need to go read FoH again...
21/11/2009 03:35:01 AM
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The Silliness Continues-Part IV of Shannow's crazy ways to commit suicide...
21/11/2009 05:44:34 AM
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On the limits of power
21/11/2009 07:32:44 AM
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Great question. These fundamental issues are the REAL challenges to be overcome, yes...
21/11/2009 07:50:46 AM
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Fluids CAN move across gateways on their own. We saw it with the draft of wind in tGS. *NM*
21/11/2009 01:32:46 PM
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Oh, and regarding the new Travelling skill Nynaeve mentions in tGS...
21/11/2009 08:03:45 AM
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Ah, thanks
21/11/2009 08:10:48 AM
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Actually, I just reread that passage, and now I'm confused again...
21/11/2009 08:30:17 AM
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Its pretty simple...
21/11/2009 08:07:14 PM
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You don't learn a place when you Travel TO it...
21/11/2009 08:23:11 PM
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The same issue again...
21/11/2009 08:58:37 PM
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They might have shared Gateways, so only those who wove them know the area? *NM*
21/11/2009 10:00:04 PM
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That has to be the first sensible question broached in this thread...
21/11/2009 09:18:59 PM
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The simplest explanation'd be that GWs can't be opened in water, since it moves/changes constantly
20/11/2009 07:27:08 PM
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Or balefire Rand. Wait a few generations near Dragonmount, kidnap all children born on the slopes...
20/11/2009 09:07:46 PM
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Why didn't Frodo and Sam just ride the Eagles to Mt. Doom, and toss the Ring then fly back? *NM*
20/11/2009 10:35:17 PM
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Actually here's an even simpler idea: open a gateway into a Black Hole. *NM*
21/11/2009 01:53:38 AM
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You can't...there aren't any Black Holes close enough...
21/11/2009 03:22:38 AM
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Doubtful
21/11/2009 03:29:35 AM
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Surely Moridin could channel enough of the True Power... *NM*
21/11/2009 01:19:05 PM
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Moridin cannot channel any more of the True Power than he can of the One Power.
21/11/2009 01:58:30 PM
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