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What in the world... outer space?? This is fantasy, not sci-fi *NM* BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM
It takes about 10 seconds to create and tie off 6 gateways, right. I'm guessing a Forsaken strength channeler can create maybe 100 gateways per day before being exhausted?

So, if the Forsaken really wanted to destroy civilization and sow chaos in the world, why didn't one of them Travel to the middle of the ocean, and start creating gateways at the bottom of the sea? The other end of the gateway could open up into outer space, and be tied off.

If Ishamael had spent just a small portion of his cycles of freedom over the last 3000 years doing this, the Shadow could have had 1000's of gateways at the bottom of the ocean by now. The difference in pressure between the bottom of the sea and outer space is tremendous, and the result would have been an incredibly powerful flood of water draining out of the oceans and emptying into space.

Over the course of 3000 years, the ocean would probably have drained away, or at least decreased in volume by a significant percentage.

Without oceans, the planet cannot generate water vapor, clouds and rain.

Therefore, over three thousand years the entire world would probably have become like the Aiel waste - if not worse. No crops, no cities, no civilization.

The Shadow's victory would have been much easier.

OK. Let's hear the weaknesses in my plan.
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If the Forsaken really wanted to defeat the Light - gateways at the bottom of the ocean... - 20/11/2009 02:02:59 PM 2134 Views
I've actually thought that would be a great way to make a power plant. - 20/11/2009 02:48:21 PM 1135 Views
I t doesn't defy EXACTLY the laws of conservation - 20/11/2009 03:02:16 PM 1424 Views
The Forsaken don't think like that - 20/11/2009 02:57:27 PM 1176 Views
What in the world... outer space?? This is fantasy, not sci-fi *NM* - 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM 580 Views
RJ has stated that channelers can Travel to other planets, even other solar systems... - 20/11/2009 03:12:37 PM 1092 Views
OK... - 20/11/2009 05:15:32 PM 976 Views
Tied off gateways dissappear after a while *NM* - 20/11/2009 03:15:56 PM 525 Views
No. Only if the knott is deliberately tied loosely... - 20/11/2009 03:20:18 PM 988 Views
This brings up an "Evil Wins, What Next?" scenario I've always wondered about - 20/11/2009 03:39:14 PM 1147 Views
Nah - 20/11/2009 04:12:27 PM 999 Views
Read Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy. =) *NM* - 20/11/2009 07:18:01 PM 558 Views
They would have to know the bottom of the ocean very well to create. *NM* - 20/11/2009 05:02:50 PM 491 Views
Wouldn't be too hard, given Rand's trick. *NM* - 20/11/2009 05:12:22 PM 606 Views
You're kidding right? - 20/11/2009 05:31:36 PM 1041 Views
Yeah, this has actually been discussed - 20/11/2009 05:50:21 PM 1227 Views
Re: Yeah, this has actually been discussed - 21/08/2010 02:19:15 AM 1013 Views
Gateway "magic" accounts for this, or most gateways would have STRONG breeze - 20/11/2009 06:43:44 PM 1115 Views
Very conducive places, the bottom of the sea and outer space... - 20/11/2009 07:01:56 PM 4472 Views
Knee jerk disagreement without thinking beyond: "I don't like the idea so let's flame it..." - 20/11/2009 07:12:38 PM 1278 Views
Actually... - 20/11/2009 09:15:39 PM 1101 Views
And your response is even sillier ideas? Think for more than three minutes before responding again. - 20/11/2009 11:08:59 PM 1016 Views
I must say... this has been highly entertaining! *NM* - 21/11/2009 01:59:51 AM 1039 Views
Yeah... I've been chuckling at this whole thread - 21/11/2009 10:23:51 AM 1151 Views
You need to go read FoH again... - 21/11/2009 03:35:01 AM 1130 Views
The Silliness Continues-Part IV of Shannow's crazy ways to commit suicide... - 21/11/2009 05:44:34 AM 1037 Views
Struggling a bit are you? - 21/11/2009 06:30:13 AM 1056 Views
On the limits of power - 21/11/2009 07:32:44 AM 1058 Views
Great question. These fundamental issues are the REAL challenges to be overcome, yes... - 21/11/2009 07:50:46 AM 1095 Views
Thanks - 21/11/2009 08:03:28 AM 1106 Views
Oh, and regarding the new Travelling skill Nynaeve mentions in tGS... - 21/11/2009 08:03:45 AM 1108 Views
Ah, thanks - 21/11/2009 08:10:48 AM 1010 Views
Actually, I just reread that passage, and now I'm confused again... - 21/11/2009 08:30:17 AM 1028 Views
Its pretty simple... - 21/11/2009 08:07:14 PM 977 Views
You don't learn a place when you Travel TO it... - 21/11/2009 08:23:11 PM 1063 Views
The same issue again... - 21/11/2009 08:58:37 PM 1008 Views
No, you're wrong, and here are the quotes... - 22/11/2009 06:51:06 AM 1221 Views
That might mean nothing... - 22/11/2009 06:37:33 PM 1089 Views
That does seem inconsistent... - 21/11/2009 09:25:52 PM 1298 Views
Since Shannow seems to think disagreeing with him is EVIL... - 21/11/2009 08:38:55 PM 1039 Views
Re: On the limits of power - 20/08/2010 06:25:19 PM 996 Views
Such a geek - 20/08/2010 08:08:11 PM 1299 Views
The One Power is completely impenetrable to regular matter - 21/11/2009 08:16:58 AM 1012 Views
Balefire is much, much easier . - 20/11/2009 08:50:24 PM 1020 Views
The Forsaken DON'T want to defeat the Light. - 20/11/2009 09:18:42 PM 1121 Views
Why didn't Frodo and Sam just ride the Eagles to Mt. Doom, and toss the Ring then fly back? *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:35:17 PM 537 Views
lol Straight from www.HowMoviesShouldHaveEnded.com *NM* - 21/11/2009 01:15:45 AM 506 Views
The Forsaken are still doing the Light's will. - 21/11/2009 01:42:16 AM 991 Views
Actually here's an even simpler idea: open a gateway into a Black Hole. *NM* - 21/11/2009 01:53:38 AM 629 Views
You can't...there aren't any Black Holes close enough... - 21/11/2009 03:22:38 AM 1047 Views
Doubtful - 21/11/2009 03:29:35 AM 1014 Views
Let me clarify...you CAN Travel to other solar system... - 21/11/2009 03:39:36 AM 1061 Views
You're right, I just went back and checked the sources - 24/11/2009 12:04:09 AM 1000 Views
Surely Moridin could channel enough of the True Power... *NM* - 21/11/2009 01:19:05 PM 473 Views
Moridin cannot channel any more of the True Power than he can of the One Power. - 21/11/2009 01:58:30 PM 951 Views
He managed to do great fits with the power he had. - 21/11/2009 05:12:52 PM 946 Views

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