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The Forsaken are still doing the Light's will. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 21/11/2009 01:42:16 AM
Well, not really the Light's, but the Pattern's. The Forsaken are still threads in the pattern, and they are still subject to the Will of the Pattern. Some people might argue that if they are, why aren't they just drawn to the Dragon, so he could defeat them? Because the Dragon must learn. The only things outside of the pattern that can influence it that we've learned about are the Dark One and the Creator. And the Creator will not interfere. The point is, the Forsaken don't do it because the Pattern does not will it. And that is the long and the short of it. :P
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If the Forsaken really wanted to defeat the Light - gateways at the bottom of the ocean... Shannow - 20/11/2009 02:02:59 PM 2069 Views
I've actually thought that would be a great way to make a power plant. Narg - 20/11/2009 02:48:21 PM 1063 Views
I t doesn't defy EXACTLY the laws of conservation guttering flame - 20/11/2009 03:02:16 PM 1360 Views
The Forsaken don't think like that Sidious - 20/11/2009 02:57:27 PM 1100 Views
I specifically referred to Ishamael, who shares none of those motivations with the other Forsaken... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:11:26 PM 1306 Views
What in the world... outer space?? This is fantasy, not sci-fi *NM* BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM 541 Views
RJ has stated that channelers can Travel to other planets, even other solar systems... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:12:37 PM 1013 Views
I didn't expect him to answer that question, it was just something I was wondering about Ryan - 20/11/2009 04:06:53 PM 1049 Views
OK... BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 05:15:32 PM 916 Views
Moghedien talks about how they travelled to other stars in the Age of Legends... Shannow - 20/11/2009 06:09:17 PM 1148 Views
Because it is a world that is undergoing an industrial revolution Ryan - 21/11/2009 01:19:28 AM 948 Views
Tied off gateways dissappear after a while *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 03:15:56 PM 499 Views
No. Only if the knott is deliberately tied loosely... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:20:18 PM 934 Views
This brings up an "Evil Wins, What Next?" scenario I've always wondered about Sandwich - 20/11/2009 03:39:14 PM 1069 Views
Nah Ryan - 20/11/2009 04:12:27 PM 935 Views
Read Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy. =) *NM* Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 07:18:01 PM 527 Views
The DO doesn't have the motivations of the forsaken, he doesn't think like a human... Napoleon62 - 22/11/2009 03:38:15 PM 1039 Views
They would have to know the bottom of the ocean very well to create. *NM* LlordNakcor - 20/11/2009 05:02:50 PM 464 Views
Wouldn't be too hard, given Rand's trick. *NM* BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 05:12:22 PM 579 Views
Intense preasure would kill you before you could weave or a hell of a shield bubble *NM* LlordNakcor - 20/11/2009 07:01:58 PM 599 Views
You're kidding right? LewsTherin10 - 20/11/2009 05:31:36 PM 982 Views
Yeah, this has actually been discussed Marshall - 20/11/2009 05:50:21 PM 1156 Views
Re: Yeah, this has actually been discussed Lohikaarme - 21/08/2010 02:19:15 AM 943 Views
Gateway "magic" accounts for this, or most gateways would have STRONG breeze Asha'man Warder - 20/11/2009 06:43:44 PM 1046 Views
Very conducive places, the bottom of the sea and outer space... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 07:01:56 PM 4415 Views
Knee jerk disagreement without thinking beyond: "I don't like the idea so let's flame it..." Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:12:38 PM 1195 Views
Actually... Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 09:15:39 PM 1020 Views
And your response is even sillier ideas? Think for more than three minutes before responding again. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 11:08:59 PM 951 Views
I must say... this has been highly entertaining! *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:59:51 AM 957 Views
Yeah... I've been chuckling at this whole thread Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:23:51 AM 1076 Views
You need to go read FoH again... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:35:01 AM 1043 Views
The Silliness Continues-Part IV of Shannow's crazy ways to commit suicide... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 05:44:34 AM 964 Views
Struggling a bit are you? Shannow - 21/11/2009 06:30:13 AM 982 Views
On the limits of power guttering flame - 21/11/2009 07:32:44 AM 990 Views
Great question. These fundamental issues are the REAL challenges to be overcome, yes... Shannow - 21/11/2009 07:50:46 AM 1001 Views
Thanks guttering flame - 21/11/2009 08:03:28 AM 1034 Views
Fluids CAN move across gateways on their own. We saw it with the draft of wind in tGS. *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:32:46 PM 531 Views
Oh, and regarding the new Travelling skill Nynaeve mentions in tGS... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:03:45 AM 1032 Views
Ah, thanks guttering flame - 21/11/2009 08:10:48 AM 939 Views
Actually, I just reread that passage, and now I'm confused again... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:30:17 AM 962 Views
Its pretty simple... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:07:14 PM 910 Views
You don't learn a place when you Travel TO it... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:23:11 PM 989 Views
The same issue again... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:58:37 PM 946 Views
No, you're wrong, and here are the quotes... Shannow - 22/11/2009 06:51:06 AM 1140 Views
That might mean nothing... fionwe1987 - 22/11/2009 06:37:33 PM 1029 Views
That does seem inconsistent... Legolas - 21/11/2009 09:25:52 PM 1228 Views
They might have shared Gateways, so only those who wove them know the area? *NM* Marshall - 21/11/2009 10:00:04 PM 470 Views
That has to be the first sensible question broached in this thread... Legolas - 21/11/2009 09:18:59 PM 1195 Views
Since Shannow seems to think disagreeing with him is EVIL... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:38:55 PM 977 Views
Re: On the limits of power Tor - 20/08/2010 06:25:19 PM 930 Views
Such a geek Camilla - 20/08/2010 08:08:11 PM 1217 Views
The One Power is completely impenetrable to regular matter Marshall - 21/11/2009 08:16:58 AM 929 Views
The simplest explanation'd be that GWs can't be opened in water, since it moves/changes constantly Lordling - 20/11/2009 07:27:08 PM 881 Views
Balefire is much, much easier . TheCrownless - 20/11/2009 08:50:24 PM 958 Views
Or balefire Rand. Wait a few generations near Dragonmount, kidnap all children born on the slopes... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 09:07:46 PM 970 Views
The Forsaken DON'T want to defeat the Light. Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 09:18:42 PM 1062 Views
Why didn't Frodo and Sam just ride the Eagles to Mt. Doom, and toss the Ring then fly back? *NM* Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:35:17 PM 510 Views
lol Straight from www.HowMoviesShouldHaveEnded.com *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/11/2009 01:15:45 AM 470 Views
The Forsaken are still doing the Light's will. Great Lord of Chaos - 21/11/2009 01:42:16 AM 933 Views
Actually here's an even simpler idea: open a gateway into a Black Hole. *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:53:38 AM 589 Views
You can't...there aren't any Black Holes close enough... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:22:38 AM 966 Views
Doubtful Marshall - 21/11/2009 03:29:35 AM 925 Views
Let me clarify...you CAN Travel to other solar system... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:39:36 AM 988 Views
You're right, I just went back and checked the sources Marshall - 24/11/2009 12:04:09 AM 918 Views
Surely Moridin could channel enough of the True Power... *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:19:05 PM 443 Views
Moridin cannot channel any more of the True Power than he can of the One Power. Shannow - 21/11/2009 01:58:30 PM 882 Views
He managed to do great fits with the power he had. guttering flame - 21/11/2009 05:12:52 PM 882 Views
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