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No, you're wrong, and here are the quotes... Shannow Send a noteboard - 22/11/2009 06:51:06 AM


Travelling TO a place didn't make you suddenly know it in the earlier books. I refer to LoC, at Dumai's Wells.

Mazrim Taim has just arrived by gateway and fought off the Shaido. He is speaking to Rand:

"My lord Dragon," he said in a tight voice, "I would say there are still several hundred Shaido women out there, some not insignificant it seems. And that is not to mention some thousands of Shaido with spears. Unless you truly want to find out whether you are immortal, I suggest waiting a few hours until we know this place well enough to make gateways with some certainty of where they will come out, then leaving."

The Ashaman had Travelled to Dumai's Wells. Yet they could not Travel FROM it until they had spent a few hours getting to know the place.

Dumai's Wells is a frigging huge place! They gated into an area in the middle of the battle, in all the chaos. There's no way the men can know exactly where they came out!

We have prior examples where Traveling to a place makes you know it enough to make a Gateway elsewhere. When Rand follows Sammael from Illian to SL, he creates his Gateway to SL after making a short hop to where Sammael's Gateway was. And Rand did not know the place at all, since he had never even been there before.
Therefore, it seems clear that Travelling TO a place, does not make you know it.

That's why the new Travelling trick in tGS does not make sense.

It does. I wish I could find the previous quote where it is made clear that Traveling TO a place lets you know it.


When Rand Travels to Illian to face Sammael in CoS, he makes his first gateway into the city center. Immediately after that, he makes a gateway to Sammael's palace.

While making this shorter gateway, Rand specifically thinks the following:

"You did not need to know a place at all if you intended to Travel only a short distance."

Do you see the significance? Rand has just Traveled TO Illian. If Traveling TO a place made you KNOW the place, then he should immediately be able to Travel ANYWHERE from there.

So why make the point that you did not need to know a place as long as you only Traveled a short distance?

Then, when he is in Sammael's palace, he is only able to follow Sammael to Shadar Logoth, because he still sees the residue of Sammael's gateway weave, and is able to copy it.





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If the Forsaken really wanted to defeat the Light - gateways at the bottom of the ocean... Shannow - 20/11/2009 02:02:59 PM 2134 Views
I've actually thought that would be a great way to make a power plant. Narg - 20/11/2009 02:48:21 PM 1134 Views
I t doesn't defy EXACTLY the laws of conservation guttering flame - 20/11/2009 03:02:16 PM 1423 Views
The Forsaken don't think like that Sidious - 20/11/2009 02:57:27 PM 1176 Views
I specifically referred to Ishamael, who shares none of those motivations with the other Forsaken... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:11:26 PM 1378 Views
What in the world... outer space?? This is fantasy, not sci-fi *NM* BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM 579 Views
RJ has stated that channelers can Travel to other planets, even other solar systems... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:12:37 PM 1092 Views
I didn't expect him to answer that question, it was just something I was wondering about Ryan - 20/11/2009 04:06:53 PM 1127 Views
OK... BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 05:15:32 PM 976 Views
Moghedien talks about how they travelled to other stars in the Age of Legends... Shannow - 20/11/2009 06:09:17 PM 1211 Views
Because it is a world that is undergoing an industrial revolution Ryan - 21/11/2009 01:19:28 AM 1019 Views
Tied off gateways dissappear after a while *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 03:15:56 PM 525 Views
No. Only if the knott is deliberately tied loosely... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:20:18 PM 988 Views
This brings up an "Evil Wins, What Next?" scenario I've always wondered about Sandwich - 20/11/2009 03:39:14 PM 1147 Views
Nah Ryan - 20/11/2009 04:12:27 PM 999 Views
Read Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy. =) *NM* Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 07:18:01 PM 558 Views
The DO doesn't have the motivations of the forsaken, he doesn't think like a human... Napoleon62 - 22/11/2009 03:38:15 PM 1119 Views
They would have to know the bottom of the ocean very well to create. *NM* LlordNakcor - 20/11/2009 05:02:50 PM 491 Views
Wouldn't be too hard, given Rand's trick. *NM* BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 05:12:22 PM 606 Views
Intense preasure would kill you before you could weave or a hell of a shield bubble *NM* LlordNakcor - 20/11/2009 07:01:58 PM 630 Views
You're kidding right? LewsTherin10 - 20/11/2009 05:31:36 PM 1041 Views
Yeah, this has actually been discussed Marshall - 20/11/2009 05:50:21 PM 1227 Views
Re: Yeah, this has actually been discussed Lohikaarme - 21/08/2010 02:19:15 AM 1013 Views
Gateway "magic" accounts for this, or most gateways would have STRONG breeze Asha'man Warder - 20/11/2009 06:43:44 PM 1115 Views
Very conducive places, the bottom of the sea and outer space... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 07:01:56 PM 4472 Views
Knee jerk disagreement without thinking beyond: "I don't like the idea so let's flame it..." Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:12:38 PM 1278 Views
Actually... Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 09:15:39 PM 1101 Views
And your response is even sillier ideas? Think for more than three minutes before responding again. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 11:08:59 PM 1016 Views
I must say... this has been highly entertaining! *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:59:51 AM 1039 Views
Yeah... I've been chuckling at this whole thread Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:23:51 AM 1151 Views
You need to go read FoH again... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:35:01 AM 1130 Views
The Silliness Continues-Part IV of Shannow's crazy ways to commit suicide... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 05:44:34 AM 1037 Views
Struggling a bit are you? Shannow - 21/11/2009 06:30:13 AM 1056 Views
On the limits of power guttering flame - 21/11/2009 07:32:44 AM 1058 Views
Great question. These fundamental issues are the REAL challenges to be overcome, yes... Shannow - 21/11/2009 07:50:46 AM 1095 Views
Thanks guttering flame - 21/11/2009 08:03:28 AM 1106 Views
Fluids CAN move across gateways on their own. We saw it with the draft of wind in tGS. *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:32:46 PM 562 Views
Oh, and regarding the new Travelling skill Nynaeve mentions in tGS... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:03:45 AM 1108 Views
Ah, thanks guttering flame - 21/11/2009 08:10:48 AM 1010 Views
Actually, I just reread that passage, and now I'm confused again... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:30:17 AM 1028 Views
Its pretty simple... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:07:14 PM 977 Views
You don't learn a place when you Travel TO it... Shannow - 21/11/2009 08:23:11 PM 1063 Views
The same issue again... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:58:37 PM 1008 Views
No, you're wrong, and here are the quotes... Shannow - 22/11/2009 06:51:06 AM 1221 Views
That might mean nothing... fionwe1987 - 22/11/2009 06:37:33 PM 1089 Views
That does seem inconsistent... Legolas - 21/11/2009 09:25:52 PM 1298 Views
They might have shared Gateways, so only those who wove them know the area? *NM* Marshall - 21/11/2009 10:00:04 PM 506 Views
That has to be the first sensible question broached in this thread... Legolas - 21/11/2009 09:18:59 PM 1270 Views
Since Shannow seems to think disagreeing with him is EVIL... fionwe1987 - 21/11/2009 08:38:55 PM 1039 Views
Re: On the limits of power Tor - 20/08/2010 06:25:19 PM 996 Views
Such a geek Camilla - 20/08/2010 08:08:11 PM 1299 Views
The One Power is completely impenetrable to regular matter Marshall - 21/11/2009 08:16:58 AM 1012 Views
The simplest explanation'd be that GWs can't be opened in water, since it moves/changes constantly Lordling - 20/11/2009 07:27:08 PM 940 Views
Balefire is much, much easier . TheCrownless - 20/11/2009 08:50:24 PM 1020 Views
Or balefire Rand. Wait a few generations near Dragonmount, kidnap all children born on the slopes... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 09:07:46 PM 1043 Views
The Forsaken DON'T want to defeat the Light. Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 09:18:42 PM 1121 Views
Why didn't Frodo and Sam just ride the Eagles to Mt. Doom, and toss the Ring then fly back? *NM* Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:35:17 PM 537 Views
lol Straight from www.HowMoviesShouldHaveEnded.com *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/11/2009 01:15:45 AM 506 Views
The Forsaken are still doing the Light's will. Great Lord of Chaos - 21/11/2009 01:42:16 AM 991 Views
Actually here's an even simpler idea: open a gateway into a Black Hole. *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:53:38 AM 629 Views
You can't...there aren't any Black Holes close enough... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:22:38 AM 1047 Views
Doubtful Marshall - 21/11/2009 03:29:35 AM 1014 Views
Let me clarify...you CAN Travel to other solar system... Shannow - 21/11/2009 03:39:36 AM 1061 Views
You're right, I just went back and checked the sources Marshall - 24/11/2009 12:04:09 AM 1000 Views
Surely Moridin could channel enough of the True Power... *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 01:19:05 PM 473 Views
Moridin cannot channel any more of the True Power than he can of the One Power. Shannow - 21/11/2009 01:58:30 PM 951 Views
He managed to do great fits with the power he had. guttering flame - 21/11/2009 05:12:52 PM 946 Views
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