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Re: I agree with you! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/11/2009 07:22:30 PM

But we don't even have an accurate channeling sample to go on. We need a sample of thousands of channelers from the population, which we don't have. The fact that there are three strong women like Elayne who became friends tells me that their strength is unheard of in the Tower, but probably not as extremely rare as they make out. If they tested hundreds of women, they're probably find one or two more of their calibre.

But look at the thousands of Novices the Rebels picked up. One woman is stronger than Egwene, and one woman comes close. That's it.
Look at the Aiel too. Someryn, Tamela, Viendre... only three women stronger than Aviendha, and he way Avi's strength is spoken of, it is indeed exceedingly rare to find it among the Aiel.
And this is a culture where channelers mate and give birth to loads of kids, where even non-sparkers are reportedly found and trained. There are around 6000 WO. That's a big enough sample.

I think they are a level below the Forsaken, and that level is pronounced. There's no real evidence that they can compete, even remotely, on that level, and a lot against it. Moiraine thinks that Aviendha and Egwene linked could maybe fight a Forsaken, and Egwene thinks that linked with Romanda and Lelaine she wouldn't match one of the Forsaken. It's a telling sign.

a) Egwene and Avi were not at full strength when Moiraine thought they could tackle a Forsaken.
b) Egwene was talking about herself, Romanda and Lelaine being unable to stop the guy who came to rescue Moggy as well as Moggy herself.
Obviously, these three linked can stop a Forsaken. Verin, Kumira and Shalon did it, though one of them lost their life. Egwene is much more skilled than Verin, and Romanda and Lelaine are much stronger than Kumira (only stronger than Daigian) and Shalon (stronger than Verin, but that's it).

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Is Nynaeve of "very rare" strength? Logain - 21/11/2009 02:53:22 PM 1382 Views

BS said... Etzel - 21/11/2009 02:57:58 PM 725 Views

Actually, you are adding a word that isn't there. Logain - 21/11/2009 03:47:48 PM 939 Views

IMO, it's self evident that the female list only contains named characters Etzel - 21/11/2009 03:58:33 PM 606 Views

IMO, the above post by "Logain" is trolling and not worth the debating!! *NM* Simon - 21/11/2009 04:01:08 PM 209 Views

I have a valid reason for asking. Logain - 21/11/2009 04:05:52 PM 699 Views

I can assure you... Etzel - 21/11/2009 04:47:18 PM 526 Views

Re: IMO, it's self evident that the female list only contains named characters Logain - 21/11/2009 04:09:58 PM 452 Views

I don't know Etzel - 21/11/2009 04:17:02 PM 420 Views

I find it unlikely that a super strong channeler would end up being unimportant to the plot *NM* Marshall - 21/11/2009 11:54:43 PM 206 Views

This sounds semi-mystical... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/11/2009 04:45:52 PM 391 Views

Also, if they were that strong, they would then be important. Marshall - 29/11/2009 05:24:35 PM 370 Views

she's in the top 0.1% of channelers we know of TheCrownless - 21/11/2009 03:01:02 PM 488 Views

She's in the top 0.05% *NM* Marshall - 21/11/2009 11:41:42 PM 203 Views

so shes also in the top 0.1%? *NM* TheCrownless - 22/11/2009 12:04:00 AM 204 Views

Of course. My figure is more exclusive. *NM* Marshall - 22/11/2009 12:23:23 AM 180 Views

Yes *NM* Simon - 21/11/2009 03:56:12 PM 196 Views

Yes, though obviously Etzel is right. Legolas - 21/11/2009 04:08:41 PM 557 Views

Re: Is Nynaeve of "very rare" strength? Kieran - 21/11/2009 06:00:29 PM 439 Views

So, in terms of Nynaeve's power, do you think she is VERY rare? *NM* Logain - 21/11/2009 06:23:14 PM 209 Views

Yes. She is so rare that she is mythic. A foiled Nynaeve can prolly fetch $100.

*NM* Bookwyrm - 21/11/2009 09:59:28 PM 203 Views

So what's the point? Why the quotes? *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 10:24:37 PM 189 Views

Re: So what's the point? Why the quotes? Logain - 24/11/2009 07:31:37 PM 391 Views

Actually... what Graenal says darius_sedai - 25/11/2009 09:39:05 PM 443 Views

Well... Sidious - 21/11/2009 11:44:40 PM 484 Views

I really doubt Nynaeve strength channelers are one in thousand... fionwe1987 - 22/11/2009 12:09:15 AM 478 Views

I agree with you! darius_sedai - 23/11/2009 12:48:35 AM 413 Views

Re: I agree with you! Sidious - 23/11/2009 03:56:14 AM 435 Views

Re: I agree with you! darius_sedai - 25/11/2009 05:50:06 PM 441 Views

Re: I agree with you! Sidious - 26/11/2009 05:10:22 PM 534 Views

Re: I agree with you! fionwe1987 - 26/11/2009 07:22:30 PM 423 Views

Re: I agree with you! Sidious - 26/11/2009 07:36:38 PM 386 Views

Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 26/11/2009 10:38:44 PM 436 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 27/11/2009 04:36:59 AM 463 Views

Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 05:11:46 AM 477 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 27/11/2009 04:23:59 PM 415 Views

Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 06:13:26 PM 517 Views

Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 27/11/2009 05:40:50 AM 484 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 27/11/2009 04:42:36 PM 491 Views

Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 05:53:11 PM 421 Views

Re: not being able to shield Elayne Logain - 28/11/2009 09:46:24 PM 397 Views

Yes, the incidents rather cancel each other out IMO darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 12:55:04 AM 412 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 30/11/2009 04:44:41 AM 479 Views

Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai - 30/11/2009 05:50:37 AM 496 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 30/11/2009 08:09:24 PM 473 Views

This is our never ending debate ... at least it's a good one

darius_sedai - 01/12/2009 03:31:40 PM 692 Views

Don't forget Therava. She's stronger than any woman in the tower according to Galina. Logain - 28/11/2009 09:41:10 PM 376 Views

Re: Don't forget Therava. She's stronger than any woman in the tower according to Galina. darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 12:40:02 AM 595 Views

Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 30/11/2009 08:57:50 PM 619 Views

Fionwe1987 is right. We do have a large enough sample. And the linking examples are good. *NM* Logain - 28/11/2009 09:32:14 PM 193 Views

Re: Well... Logain - 24/11/2009 07:41:57 PM 373 Views

Re: Is Nynaeve of "very rare" strength? Yes *NM* Ryan - 22/11/2009 05:29:17 AM 192 Views

Yes. *NM* Suffa - 24/11/2009 05:56:17 PM 220 Views

Yes. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/11/2009 06:22:09 PM 174 Views

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But we don't even have an accurate channeling sample to go on. We need a sample of thousands of channelers from the population, which we don't have. The fact that there are three strong women like Elayne who became friends tells me that their strength is unheard of in the Tower, but probably not as extremely rare as they make out. If they tested hundreds of women, they're probably find one or two more of their calibre.</quote>
But look at the thousands of Novices the Rebels picked up. One woman is stronger than Egwene, and one woman comes close. That's it.
Look at the Aiel too. Someryn, Tamela, Viendre... only three women stronger than Aviendha, and he way Avi's strength is spoken of, it is indeed exceedingly rare to find it among the Aiel.
And this is a culture where channelers mate and give birth to loads of kids, where even non-sparkers are reportedly found and trained. There are around 6000 WO. That's a big enough sample.
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I think they are a level below the Forsaken, and that level is pronounced. There's no real evidence that they can compete, even remotely, on that level, and a lot against it. Moiraine thinks that Aviendha and Egwene linked could maybe fight a Forsaken, and Egwene thinks that linked with Romanda and Lelaine she wouldn't match one of the Forsaken. It's a telling sign.</quote>
a) Egwene and Avi were not at full strength when Moiraine thought they could tackle a Forsaken.
b) Egwene was talking about herself, Romanda and Lelaine being unable to stop the guy who came to rescue Moggy as well as Moggy herself.
Obviously, these three linked can stop a Forsaken. Verin, Kumira and Shalon did it, though one of them lost their life. Egwene is much more skilled than Verin, and Romanda and Lelaine are much stronger than Kumira (only stronger than Daigian) and Shalon (stronger than Verin, but that's it).

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