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Re: I agree with you! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/11/2009 07:22:30 PM

But we don't even have an accurate channeling sample to go on. We need a sample of thousands of channelers from the population, which we don't have. The fact that there are three strong women like Elayne who became friends tells me that their strength is unheard of in the Tower, but probably not as extremely rare as they make out. If they tested hundreds of women, they're probably find one or two more of their calibre.

But look at the thousands of Novices the Rebels picked up. One woman is stronger than Egwene, and one woman comes close. That's it.
Look at the Aiel too. Someryn, Tamela, Viendre... only three women stronger than Aviendha, and he way Avi's strength is spoken of, it is indeed exceedingly rare to find it among the Aiel.
And this is a culture where channelers mate and give birth to loads of kids, where even non-sparkers are reportedly found and trained. There are around 6000 WO. That's a big enough sample.

I think they are a level below the Forsaken, and that level is pronounced. There's no real evidence that they can compete, even remotely, on that level, and a lot against it. Moiraine thinks that Aviendha and Egwene linked could maybe fight a Forsaken, and Egwene thinks that linked with Romanda and Lelaine she wouldn't match one of the Forsaken. It's a telling sign.

a) Egwene and Avi were not at full strength when Moiraine thought they could tackle a Forsaken.
b) Egwene was talking about herself, Romanda and Lelaine being unable to stop the guy who came to rescue Moggy as well as Moggy herself.
Obviously, these three linked can stop a Forsaken. Verin, Kumira and Shalon did it, though one of them lost their life. Egwene is much more skilled than Verin, and Romanda and Lelaine are much stronger than Kumira (only stronger than Daigian) and Shalon (stronger than Verin, but that's it).

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Is Nynaeve of "very rare" strength? Logain - 21/11/2009 02:53:22 PM 1735 Views

BS said... Etzel - 21/11/2009 02:57:58 PM 1089 Views

Actually, you are adding a word that isn't there. Logain - 21/11/2009 03:47:48 PM 1280 Views

IMO, it's self evident that the female list only contains named characters Etzel - 21/11/2009 03:58:33 PM 931 Views

IMO, the above post by "Logain" is trolling and not worth the debating!! *NM* Simon - 21/11/2009 04:01:08 PM 370 Views

I have a valid reason for asking. Logain - 21/11/2009 04:05:52 PM 1034 Views

I can assure you... Etzel - 21/11/2009 04:47:18 PM 867 Views

Re: IMO, it's self evident that the female list only contains named characters Logain - 21/11/2009 04:09:58 PM 798 Views

I don't know Etzel - 21/11/2009 04:17:02 PM 766 Views

I find it unlikely that a super strong channeler would end up being unimportant to the plot *NM* Marshall - 21/11/2009 11:54:43 PM 345 Views

This sounds semi-mystical... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/11/2009 04:45:52 PM 714 Views

Also, if they were that strong, they would then be important. Marshall - 29/11/2009 05:24:35 PM 698 Views

she's in the top 0.1% of channelers we know of TheCrownless - 21/11/2009 03:01:02 PM 837 Views

She's in the top 0.05% *NM* Marshall - 21/11/2009 11:41:42 PM 355 Views

so shes also in the top 0.1%? *NM* TheCrownless - 22/11/2009 12:04:00 AM 350 Views

Of course. My figure is more exclusive. *NM* Marshall - 22/11/2009 12:23:23 AM 348 Views

Yes *NM* Simon - 21/11/2009 03:56:12 PM 352 Views

Yes, though obviously Etzel is right. Legolas - 21/11/2009 04:08:41 PM 983 Views

Re: Is Nynaeve of "very rare" strength? Kieran - 21/11/2009 06:00:29 PM 789 Views

So, in terms of Nynaeve's power, do you think she is VERY rare? *NM* Logain - 21/11/2009 06:23:14 PM 346 Views

Yes. She is so rare that she is mythic. A foiled Nynaeve can prolly fetch $100.

*NM* Bookwyrm - 21/11/2009 09:59:28 PM 355 Views

So what's the point? Why the quotes? *NM* BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 10:24:37 PM 339 Views

Re: So what's the point? Why the quotes? Logain - 24/11/2009 07:31:37 PM 741 Views

Actually... what Graenal says darius_sedai - 25/11/2009 09:39:05 PM 785 Views

Well... Sidious - 21/11/2009 11:44:40 PM 831 Views

I really doubt Nynaeve strength channelers are one in thousand... fionwe1987 - 22/11/2009 12:09:15 AM 815 Views

I agree with you! darius_sedai - 23/11/2009 12:48:35 AM 751 Views

Re: I agree with you! Sidious - 23/11/2009 03:56:14 AM 807 Views

Re: I agree with you! darius_sedai - 25/11/2009 05:50:06 PM 800 Views

Re: I agree with you! Sidious - 26/11/2009 05:10:22 PM 886 Views

Re: I agree with you! fionwe1987 - 26/11/2009 07:22:30 PM 787 Views

Re: I agree with you! Sidious - 26/11/2009 07:36:38 PM 738 Views

Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 26/11/2009 10:38:44 PM 791 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 27/11/2009 04:36:59 AM 838 Views

Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 05:11:46 AM 809 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 27/11/2009 04:23:59 PM 800 Views

Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 06:13:26 PM 884 Views

Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 27/11/2009 05:40:50 AM 831 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 27/11/2009 04:42:36 PM 853 Views

Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai - 27/11/2009 05:53:11 PM 819 Views

Re: not being able to shield Elayne Logain - 28/11/2009 09:46:24 PM 762 Views

Yes, the incidents rather cancel each other out IMO darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 12:55:04 AM 801 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 30/11/2009 04:44:41 AM 858 Views

Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai - 30/11/2009 05:50:37 AM 863 Views

Re: Hmmm... Sidious - 30/11/2009 08:09:24 PM 819 Views

This is our never ending debate ... at least it's a good one

darius_sedai - 01/12/2009 03:31:40 PM 1031 Views

Don't forget Therava. She's stronger than any woman in the tower according to Galina. Logain - 28/11/2009 09:41:10 PM 717 Views

Re: Don't forget Therava. She's stronger than any woman in the tower according to Galina. darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 12:40:02 AM 935 Views

Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 30/11/2009 08:57:50 PM 996 Views

Fionwe1987 is right. We do have a large enough sample. And the linking examples are good. *NM* Logain - 28/11/2009 09:32:14 PM 353 Views

Re: Well... Logain - 24/11/2009 07:41:57 PM 708 Views

Re: Is Nynaeve of "very rare" strength? Yes *NM* Ryan - 22/11/2009 05:29:17 AM 343 Views

Yes. *NM* Suffa - 24/11/2009 05:56:17 PM 372 Views

Yes. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/11/2009 06:22:09 PM 333 Views

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But we don't even have an accurate channeling sample to go on. We need a sample of thousands of channelers from the population, which we don't have. The fact that there are three strong women like Elayne who became friends tells me that their strength is unheard of in the Tower, but probably not as extremely rare as they make out. If they tested hundreds of women, they're probably find one or two more of their calibre.</quote>
But look at the thousands of Novices the Rebels picked up. One woman is stronger than Egwene, and one woman comes close. That's it.
Look at the Aiel too. Someryn, Tamela, Viendre... only three women stronger than Aviendha, and he way Avi's strength is spoken of, it is indeed exceedingly rare to find it among the Aiel.
And this is a culture where channelers mate and give birth to loads of kids, where even non-sparkers are reportedly found and trained. There are around 6000 WO. That's a big enough sample.
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I think they are a level below the Forsaken, and that level is pronounced. There's no real evidence that they can compete, even remotely, on that level, and a lot against it. Moiraine thinks that Aviendha and Egwene linked could maybe fight a Forsaken, and Egwene thinks that linked with Romanda and Lelaine she wouldn't match one of the Forsaken. It's a telling sign.</quote>
a) Egwene and Avi were not at full strength when Moiraine thought they could tackle a Forsaken.
b) Egwene was talking about herself, Romanda and Lelaine being unable to stop the guy who came to rescue Moggy as well as Moggy herself.
Obviously, these three linked can stop a Forsaken. Verin, Kumira and Shalon did it, though one of them lost their life. Egwene is much more skilled than Verin, and Romanda and Lelaine are much stronger than Kumira (only stronger than Daigian) and Shalon (stronger than Verin, but that's it).

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