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On Transmitigation vs rebirth: Gher Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 02:35:23 AM
1)I know BS said a burned out channeler remains so when transmigrated, but this doesn't make much sense to me. When a soul is Reborn, the damage done to its channeling ability in a previous life is erased. This implies that as soon as the soul is free of the body, its channeling ability is restored.


As soon as the soul is reborn, it will retain it's channeling ability, yes. But transmigration is different, and unnatural. The person still retains all their memories (although there is some separation, Aran'gar didn't quite remember what it was like to be a man, but she did remember situations where her being female made for some disjointed memories), which doesn't occur with normal rebirth (except in rare cases like Rand and LTT and possibly others in the AoL).

Tranmigration is different enough that I have no difficulty the burned out status carries over. It's actually the way I was leaning before hearing Sanderson's answer.

I fail to see why the same won't be the case with transmigration. And the fact that Brandon isn't somewhat sure of this points to it not being significant in the whole Lanfear mystery.


No, Brandon said he was pretty sure. So he is more than somewhat sure. So he could have been thinking about the Lanfear situation, determined that burned out transmigrated channelers stay burned out, while not being completely sure that there weren't other circumstances at play, hence the "I'm pretty sure, but not 100%".
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Moiraine and Lanfear kcf - 01/12/2009 10:24:54 PM 1722 Views
Healing, huh? Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 10:58:00 PM 1048 Views
Re: Healing, huh? Nate - 01/12/2009 11:12:53 PM 1113 Views
yep kcf - 01/12/2009 11:19:23 PM 973 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 01:15:47 AM 1289 Views
Re: yep kcf - 02/12/2009 04:44:32 PM 1053 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 05:37:41 PM 844 Views
I'm betting she decides to stay a non-channeler and put her past behind her. *NM* RandAllThor - 01/12/2009 11:09:32 PM 602 Views
I don't think Moiraine was stilled. Gher - 01/12/2009 11:19:03 PM 972 Views
what about Lan's bond kcf - 01/12/2009 11:23:35 PM 954 Views
I think that the doorway melting did that. Gher - 02/12/2009 12:49:02 AM 1029 Views
Not manually Knightscape - 02/12/2009 07:13:09 AM 873 Views
Not sure, but it seemed like she planned for it. At one point BlackAdder - 02/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 847 Views
Rand wasn't stilled when beetnemesis - 02/12/2009 06:48:42 AM 872 Views
The doorway melting and snapping the bond is simple enough for me *NM* Deadsy - 01/12/2009 11:24:07 PM 478 Views
as I said above, far too many assumptions in that idea *NM* kcf - 01/12/2009 11:27:12 PM 492 Views
Re: Moiraine and Lanfear Fred Gaidin - 01/12/2009 11:27:49 PM 904 Views
Not just an assumption. Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 11:38:56 PM 996 Views
Re: Not just an assumption. Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:45:26 PM 898 Views
it can kcf - 01/12/2009 11:40:40 PM 968 Views
Re: it can Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:51:21 PM 1067 Views
I think that since Moiraine was in another dimension, the Bond passed to the closest holder. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2009 11:43:15 PM 941 Views
but she'd been there before kcf - 01/12/2009 11:51:41 PM 1022 Views
I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM 985 Views
Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM 563 Views
that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond kcf - 02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM 973 Views
no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door! darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM 1011 Views
My only complaint... Rand al'Thor - 02/12/2009 12:34:34 AM 896 Views
Best. Slashfic. EVER! The Name With No Man - 02/12/2009 12:38:06 AM 1058 Views
BS not committing to the Cyndane = Lanfear scenario has me wondering as well Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 02:51:30 AM 1143 Views
The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" Tom - 02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM 893 Views
Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" AliasRY - 02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM 952 Views
That would be absolutely hilarious!!! *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 05:49:01 AM 488 Views
That'd blow some minds. *NM* Gher - 02/12/2009 05:56:06 AM 517 Views
Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM 964 Views
LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM 920 Views
Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM 938 Views
I'm 99.99% sure RJ said that the DO had to grab a soul quickly after death or it was lost darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:13:18 PM 795 Views
Never Said It Had to Be the DO. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 09:43:58 PM 794 Views
it would indeed be a totall shocker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:50:16 PM 1047 Views
Weird is a given, I think Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM 1044 Views
It may be as simple as... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:42:50 AM 854 Views
I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it.... Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM 847 Views
Not sexual, no... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:12:15 PM 865 Views
Cairheinin to the Core. Joel - 04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM 925 Views
Haven't you people ever seen a contortionist? darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:12:20 PM 818 Views
I Don't Believe I Have, Now That You Mention It. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:18:32 PM 855 Views
See Above. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 06:54:47 PM 1033 Views
I doubt it kcf - 02/12/2009 08:55:23 PM 876 Views
Maybe it's a wild goose chase. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:44:55 PM 1021 Views
There are several holes with this scenario... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM 1037 Views
On Transmitigation vs rebirth: Gher - 02/12/2009 02:35:23 AM 1346 Views
Agreed, the angreal theory seems most likely IMO (about Lanfear/Cyndane) *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:39:55 AM 434 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... Sidious - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM 1069 Views
On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:40:27 AM 782 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 02/12/2009 11:24:38 AM 820 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:16:57 PM 881 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:39:45 AM 1023 Views
But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM 893 Views
oops I double posted this! *NM* darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:23:02 PM 453 Views
I don't think they're equal Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM 841 Views
There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM 1054 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... kcf - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM 1078 Views
I don't think they were stilled or burned out. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:37:09 AM 806 Views
I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but Wotmaniac Reborn - 02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM 857 Views
Disagree. There's no way they don't. Gher - 02/12/2009 05:26:00 AM 870 Views
Moridin mentions it kcf - 02/12/2009 04:33:01 PM 784 Views
Re: Moridin mentions it darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:13:20 PM 873 Views
Moiraine will make a huge difference to TG (Min's viewing) so I think she will need to channel. *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:38:03 AM 479 Views
Min doesn't channel, and she makes a big difference. As does Thom. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 02/12/2009 09:57:10 AM 460 Views
agreed - Moiraine doesn't need to channel to make a difference *NM* kcf - 02/12/2009 04:38:50 PM 509 Views
Yub, I generally agree Etzel - 02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM 798 Views
I'm always nervous when we agree kcf - 02/12/2009 04:24:51 PM 848 Views
I think it's cool! Etzel - 02/12/2009 06:01:32 PM 814 Views
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