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There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM
Before being Stilled Siuan was clearly stronger. Now she and Leane are pretty much equal in Power. If they had lost a set value from the Healing they would have maintained the same Power difference.

If you do the math (Siuan staring at 50 and Leanne at 45) they end up as a 16 and a 15 (very weak AS), which works cleaning if they each lost 2/3 of their strength yet wind up very close to each other.

I think a fixed % is far more likely in this case, for the very reason you state! The conduit needs the opposite source to be 100% effective.


I think I worked out that they lost 15 strength once, though I used 10 in the examples above with Fionwe.
Siuan : 25 - 15 = 10
Leane : 24 - 15 = 9

That essentially makes them a third as strong as they used to be. There's no proof that they're equal. Leane directly says that she's weaker than she was, and so is Siuan, though both were once very close in strength.

Of course, I'm scandalized that you think that Siuan has a strength of 50 - as if two of her could match Rand al'Thor. Perhaps this is for that other thread though


Leane pre-stilling was about Sheriam level, and would have been expected to defer to one of Siuan/Moiraine level, if only in a minor way... in their current situation Leane is the "pet" because she has shown that she has accepted her new place... if she was weaker than Siuan she would not be able to openly be rude/hostile etc., which she clearly has been, and keep up her facade.

My thoughts on that are that Siuan and Leane were about 45-50% of the maximum strength of total female potential (which may be too strong, but given that 3 unexceptional Sisters, Daigian is probably about a 10, Nesune could be as high as a 35 and Erian(?) maybe a 25, could hold Semirhage (who is likely in the 85 range) this seems reasonable to me. Since we know a weaker channeler can hold a shield, this seems likely or they would have needed a fourth AS to hold the shield.

We'll have to disagree on how we view the scales until we are given something definitive... I believe the AS have a wider spread amongst themselves than the Forsaken do... as in maybe 25 point spread between the highest and lowest FS and probably a 50 point spread between highest and lowest AS.

As to Rand, It's well known that men have several levels above the highest female potential. The numbers themselves are only really relevant in terms of how much weaker they are than before their Stilling. I'm not assuming Male and Female strength is on the same scale! Rand on the female strength scale could be a 150 for all we know!
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I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM 1089 Views
Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM 623 Views
that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond kcf - 02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM 1123 Views
no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door! darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM 1131 Views
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The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" Tom - 02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM 1015 Views
Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" AliasRY - 02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM 1081 Views
That would be absolutely hilarious!!! *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 05:49:01 AM 549 Views
That'd blow some minds. *NM* Gher - 02/12/2009 05:56:06 AM 563 Views
Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM 1078 Views
LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM 1050 Views
Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM 1047 Views
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Never Said It Had to Be the DO. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 09:43:58 PM 895 Views
it would indeed be a totall shocker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:50:16 PM 1170 Views
Weird is a given, I think Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM 1165 Views
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I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it.... Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM 964 Views
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Cairheinin to the Core. Joel - 04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM 1041 Views
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I Don't Believe I Have, Now That You Mention It. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:18:32 PM 965 Views
See Above. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 06:54:47 PM 1145 Views
I doubt it kcf - 02/12/2009 08:55:23 PM 1010 Views
Maybe it's a wild goose chase. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:44:55 PM 1149 Views
There are several holes with this scenario... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM 1160 Views
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Agreed, the angreal theory seems most likely IMO (about Lanfear/Cyndane) *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:39:55 AM 501 Views
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But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM 996 Views
oops I double posted this! *NM* darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:23:02 PM 506 Views
I don't think they're equal Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM 948 Views
There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM 1179 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... kcf - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM 1245 Views
I don't think they were stilled or burned out. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:37:09 AM 911 Views
I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but Wotmaniac Reborn - 02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM 951 Views
Disagree. There's no way they don't. Gher - 02/12/2009 05:26:00 AM 985 Views
Moridin mentions it kcf - 02/12/2009 04:33:01 PM 915 Views
Re: Moridin mentions it darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:13:20 PM 967 Views
Moiraine will make a huge difference to TG (Min's viewing) so I think she will need to channel. *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:38:03 AM 541 Views
Min doesn't channel, and she makes a big difference. As does Thom. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 02/12/2009 09:57:10 AM 523 Views
agreed - Moiraine doesn't need to channel to make a difference *NM* kcf - 02/12/2009 04:38:50 PM 605 Views
Yub, I generally agree Etzel - 02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM 908 Views
I'm always nervous when we agree kcf - 02/12/2009 04:24:51 PM 956 Views
I think it's cool! Etzel - 02/12/2009 06:01:32 PM 928 Views
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