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no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM
there is no indication that the bond directly connects things ina way that could be severed by a door shutting. It's not like there's a 'string' of saidar connecting the two at all times. The actual way that the bond works simply isn't understood at that level. So, it actually is a big assumption that the bond could be severed by the melting doorway.

It all comes back to the three ways that we know actually sever the bond - stilling/burning out, death, and voluntary release. We know Moiraine is alive, Lan's actions/condition and the speed of the events make voluntary release highly unlikely. That leaves stiling/burning out as the most reasonable explanation.


You are trying to position your theory as the most simple solution, yet there are a whole lot of assumptions being made! You seem to think that Lanfear and/or Moiraine were stilled/burned out, then Lanfear was killed, transmigrated, then found a BA who not only knew Nynaeve's weaves, but could improve on them! I think that's very convoluted to be honest.

It's easily as likely (IMO more so) that neither Moiraine nor Lanfear was burned out in the doorway and that Cyndane is weaker because the DO made it so as part of her punishment. If the DO can transmigrate a soul it seems very likely to me that he can affect that souls ability to access the OP.

I disagree that stilling/burning out are the only reasonable options for the Warder bond to have moved to Myrelle.
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Moiraine and Lanfear kcf - 01/12/2009 10:24:54 PM 1938 Views
Healing, huh? Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 10:58:00 PM 1227 Views
Re: Healing, huh? Nate - 01/12/2009 11:12:53 PM 1310 Views
yep kcf - 01/12/2009 11:19:23 PM 1139 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 01:15:47 AM 1459 Views
Re: yep kcf - 02/12/2009 04:44:32 PM 1291 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 05:37:41 PM 1019 Views
I'm betting she decides to stay a non-channeler and put her past behind her. *NM* RandAllThor - 01/12/2009 11:09:32 PM 686 Views
I don't think Moiraine was stilled. Gher - 01/12/2009 11:19:03 PM 1144 Views
what about Lan's bond kcf - 01/12/2009 11:23:35 PM 1109 Views
I think that the doorway melting did that. Gher - 02/12/2009 12:49:02 AM 1185 Views
Not manually Knightscape - 02/12/2009 07:13:09 AM 1018 Views
Not sure, but it seemed like she planned for it. At one point BlackAdder - 02/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 1037 Views
Rand wasn't stilled when beetnemesis - 02/12/2009 06:48:42 AM 1060 Views
The doorway melting and snapping the bond is simple enough for me *NM* Deadsy - 01/12/2009 11:24:07 PM 547 Views
as I said above, far too many assumptions in that idea *NM* kcf - 01/12/2009 11:27:12 PM 572 Views
Re: Moiraine and Lanfear Fred Gaidin - 01/12/2009 11:27:49 PM 1076 Views
Not just an assumption. Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 11:38:56 PM 1177 Views
Re: Not just an assumption. Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:45:26 PM 1083 Views
it can kcf - 01/12/2009 11:40:40 PM 1138 Views
Re: it can Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:51:21 PM 1248 Views
I think that since Moiraine was in another dimension, the Bond passed to the closest holder. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2009 11:43:15 PM 1120 Views
but she'd been there before kcf - 01/12/2009 11:51:41 PM 1178 Views
I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM 1156 Views
Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM 640 Views
that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond kcf - 02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM 1188 Views
no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door! darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM 1198 Views
My only complaint... Rand al'Thor - 02/12/2009 12:34:34 AM 1075 Views
Best. Slashfic. EVER! The Name With No Man - 02/12/2009 12:38:06 AM 1228 Views
BS not committing to the Cyndane = Lanfear scenario has me wondering as well Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 02:51:30 AM 1329 Views
The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" Tom - 02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM 1076 Views
Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" AliasRY - 02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM 1139 Views
That would be absolutely hilarious!!! *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 05:49:01 AM 570 Views
That'd blow some minds. *NM* Gher - 02/12/2009 05:56:06 AM 584 Views
Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM 1139 Views
LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM 1102 Views
Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM 1098 Views
I'm 99.99% sure RJ said that the DO had to grab a soul quickly after death or it was lost darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:13:18 PM 960 Views
Never Said It Had to Be the DO. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 09:43:58 PM 946 Views
it would indeed be a totall shocker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:50:16 PM 1225 Views
Weird is a given, I think Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM 1226 Views
It may be as simple as... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:42:50 AM 1030 Views
I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it.... Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM 1014 Views
Not sexual, no... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:12:15 PM 1046 Views
Cairheinin to the Core. Joel - 04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM 1098 Views
Haven't you people ever seen a contortionist? darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:12:20 PM 962 Views
I Don't Believe I Have, Now That You Mention It. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:18:32 PM 1021 Views
See Above. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 06:54:47 PM 1204 Views
I doubt it kcf - 02/12/2009 08:55:23 PM 1068 Views
Maybe it's a wild goose chase. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:44:55 PM 1200 Views
There are several holes with this scenario... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM 1216 Views
On Transmitigation vs rebirth: Gher - 02/12/2009 02:35:23 AM 1517 Views
Agreed, the angreal theory seems most likely IMO (about Lanfear/Cyndane) *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:39:55 AM 528 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... Sidious - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM 1265 Views
On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:40:27 AM 948 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 02/12/2009 11:24:38 AM 1004 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:16:57 PM 1033 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:39:45 AM 1195 Views
But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM 1052 Views
oops I double posted this! *NM* darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:23:02 PM 526 Views
I don't think they're equal Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM 1024 Views
There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM 1245 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... kcf - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM 1329 Views
I don't think they were stilled or burned out. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:37:09 AM 960 Views
I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but Wotmaniac Reborn - 02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM 1009 Views
Disagree. There's no way they don't. Gher - 02/12/2009 05:26:00 AM 1039 Views
Moridin mentions it kcf - 02/12/2009 04:33:01 PM 970 Views
Re: Moridin mentions it darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:13:20 PM 1022 Views
Moiraine will make a huge difference to TG (Min's viewing) so I think she will need to channel. *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:38:03 AM 560 Views
Min doesn't channel, and she makes a big difference. As does Thom. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 02/12/2009 09:57:10 AM 553 Views
agreed - Moiraine doesn't need to channel to make a difference *NM* kcf - 02/12/2009 04:38:50 PM 646 Views
Yub, I generally agree Etzel - 02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM 958 Views
I'm always nervous when we agree kcf - 02/12/2009 04:24:51 PM 1022 Views
I think it's cool! Etzel - 02/12/2009 06:01:32 PM 981 Views
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