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Where did I say any of that? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 06:20:24 PM
Those Asha'man (Rochaid, Kisman) were probably acting under authority of Taim, who appears to be acting under authority of Moridin (not Demandred).


If Moridin was in charge of Taim, why would Graendal say that Dashiva and Demandred were tasked to keep an eye on Rand?



Because Dashiva was actually part of Rand's entourage at that time, and it's possible that Demandred was operating in the South near Illian/Tear or could potentially be posing as one of the various Nobles close to Rand.

Plenty of options!


If you use Dashiva's presence at the Black Tower as evidence that Moridin was running it, then you should also say that Moridin was in control of Egwene through Arangar, which wasn't the case. Arangar was pretty much running her show just as much as Semirhage was running her show in Seanchan, and Mesaana was running the White Tower.

In the same way, Dashiva was at the Black Tower, but he only arrived there in Book 7, long after it was established.

And in tGS Graendal states that Moridin was limiting himself to the Blight, and didn't get involved in anything in the South.

So who was running the Black Tower before Dashiva arrived, after Dashiva joined Rand, and after Dashiva's death?

If Demandred isn't doing it, then the only alternative is that Taim is left to do it himself.


What I said is that there are reasons (outside of the BT) Graendal would point out that Osan'gar and Demandred were tasked with watching Rand.

I never said that I thought Dashiva was in charge of the BT at any point.

I personally believe that Taim was set up by Moridin before the other FS were freed from SG. Taim seems to have far too much training to be a run of the mill 3rd ager... he speaks like an AoLer and knows far too much about the Power for a man with no training. Doesn't seem likely that Demandred has spent a lot of time in the BT teaching Taim.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Is Demandred able to transpose his personality onto his servants, with a Compulsion type of weave? Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:26:44 AM 1309 Views
I Think It's Just a Natural Reaction. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 10:05:47 AM 579 Views
IMO RJ shot down Taimandred in order to surprise us. But you make good points. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/12/2009 10:17:56 AM 393 Views
Personally I think... Etzel - 06/12/2009 10:48:40 AM 589 Views
I not only agree with your Arangar theory, I think it is undoubtedly true... Shannow - 06/12/2009 11:55:25 AM 603 Views
Indeed Etzel - 06/12/2009 01:10:49 PM 494 Views
I posted a theory at the old wotmania that maybe he is "linked" to Demandred. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:23:09 PM 480 Views
Very plausible, except BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:39:41 PM 486 Views
Why is Taim believed to be directed by Moridin? Shannow - 06/12/2009 05:55:44 PM 483 Views
Re: Why is Taim believed to be directed by Moridin? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:00:15 PM 538 Views
If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:04:37 PM 596 Views
Re: If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene... Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:16:58 PM 582 Views
You miss my point entirely... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:24:05 PM 486 Views
Re: You miss my point entirely... Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:31:30 PM 484 Views
Agreed ... this seems just a hangover from Taimandred theory to me darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:33:32 PM 586 Views
Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:37:42 PM 550 Views
Re: Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn... Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:11:19 PM 564 Views
very well said darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:15:22 PM 471 Views
A few points... Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:24:09 PM 452 Views
You are making an assumption that Demandred could have done all this is a few months darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:18:43 PM 430 Views
Yes, I am assuming that... Shannow - 06/12/2009 08:34:40 PM 489 Views
But you are missing a couple of key points darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 02:12:04 AM 569 Views
Joiya was bullshitting anyway. She couldn't possibly betray her Oaths. fionwe1987 - 07/12/2009 02:46:13 AM 498 Views
Yes Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:26:21 AM 459 Views
While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:48:41 PM 438 Views
Re: While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:39:05 PM 533 Views
Re: While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless Lord Haart - 07/12/2009 05:25:42 PM 465 Views
I'll have to go back and check, but I could have sworn there was an Aiel thing too darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 09:14:29 PM 389 Views
and let's not forget all the old tongue titles he throws around darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 07:07:56 PM 406 Views
Start a new line of posts so it's easier to read. Thanks. *NM* BlackAdder - 08/12/2009 05:40:41 AM 220 Views
An alternate theory on his AOL mannerisms... Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:08:50 PM 449 Views
Where did I say any of that? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:20:24 PM 546 Views
Actually... Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:19:36 PM 484 Views
Taim is wearing Moridin's livery at the end of KoD. *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 01:56:09 AM 456 Views
No Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:10:42 PM 546 Views
Why Cyndane? Skeeve the Great - 06/12/2009 06:17:02 PM 428 Views
Re: Why Cyndane? Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:24:14 PM 641 Views
So, where DO you place Demandred, then? Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:52:05 PM 492 Views
Re: So, where DO you place Demandred, then? Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:21:22 AM 524 Views
Besides... Etzel - 07/12/2009 12:05:16 PM 467 Views
100 Ashaman, plus the Dragonsworn, plus the Whitecloaks, plus Murandy would be an achievement... Shannow - 07/12/2009 12:49:31 PM 456 Views
Probably over 100, plus he picks the most powerful of them. Lord Haart - 07/12/2009 02:34:25 PM 413 Views
An alternate explanation - Fain's influence Lord Haart - 12/12/2009 04:19:49 PM 545 Views
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