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I enjoyed the Silmarrilion though...the part about the Valar and their comparative strengths... Shannow Send a noteboard - 09/12/2009 01:39:47 PM
And I find Erickson boring as well.

He is big on blood and battles, but his characters ring hollow.

Though I concede most of the characters in the Trilogy usually aren't easy for the average person to relate to themselves, in part, I think, because it is intended epically, which among other things means Tolkien wanted the line between good and evil to be sharp and clear (whereas Jordan wants just as badly to blur it in a very human way.) I still suggest, however, what I do to everyone who tells me they stopped reading the Trilogy at the Council of Elrond, or the Silmarillion at the Ainulindale: Keep going, it's worth it, and if the genealogies are confusing or boring the first time, skip 'em till later, because it took me three readings before they started to congeal anyway. :P The Silmarillion's characters are even more epic and less familiar than the Trilogy's, like something out of the Elder Edda, but then, that's intentional, and we can appreciate an Arthur or Aeneas just as much without being reminded of anyone we've met. Within the Trilogy Hobbits are very purposefully our Everyman, subject to a lot more frailty, indecision, temptation, fear and prejudice as any human. With TWoT I'm helped because the ta'veren remind me a lot of me and two brothers I've known since our HS days (though Mat doesn't take half the crap I did from them, and Perrin and Rand don't fight like they did. :P)

With Tolkien though it is largely about the story, hence he also referred to himself as a storyteller, and never mind that when we all read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight in HS English the byline was "translated by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien." ;)


Ulmo was always my favourite, the immensely powerful loner who didn't get along well with the others, yet whose awesome seas even Melkor himself feared. Manwe was always too perfect for my liking.

Aule was enjoyable to read about too, if only because he didn't follow the rules and went on to create his own race of dwarves.

But the powerful, mysterious Ulmo was the one I most enjoyed reading about. His fearsome appearance in the Waves to some of his subjects is something that sticks in my mind.

I would sit for hours and spin my own stories about how the various Valar had to make war on one another, and what the outcome would be. That was in my younger days, though.

I never could understand how the relatively low ranked Tulkas was able to defeat the most powerful of all the Valar, Melkor himself.

Anyway, comparing the power of the various Valar was something I got great satisfaction from. In a sense, I've transferred that fantasy to the Forsaken in Wot.

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