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The main differences between the two oaths randfandom Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 07:00:55 PM
Did anyone else react with surprise to Egwene's strong reaction to a 4th oath of fealty, when she herself extracted a similar oath (albeit not on the oath rod) from Theodrin, Faolain, and others?


While not completely ethical, there is a difference here:

1. Egwene did not have them swear "obedience" but fealty - which is what Aes Sedai owe their Amyrlin anyway - she was rectifying the imbalance caused by them treating her as a puppet.

2. Egwene did not have them swear on the Oath Rod. I am pretty sure there is a difference in how binding an oath is if it is sworn directly on the oath rod and if it is not. We've seen a woman nearly choke to death when inadvertantly told to tell a lie after swearing the oath to obey. On the other hand, Beonin's oath of fealty did not prevent her from switching allegiance to Elaida at the first opportune moment. She was able to circumvent her oath quite easily by convincing herself that Egwene is not Amyrlin. Somehow I doubt it would have worked had she sworn on the Oath rod.

However, I do agree that Egwene tends to have blinders when it comes to her actions. Her attitudes towards Rand and resentment of his decisions and privileges is evident throughout the series. It is a failing shared by all Aes Sedai however (except for Nynaeve and Moiraine).
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Egwene - hypocrite Taer - 10/12/2009 01:20:24 PM 1770 Views
Re: Egwene - hypocrite Elvira_Sedai - 10/12/2009 01:33:00 PM 1280 Views
Not the same at all really Sidious - 10/12/2009 02:12:36 PM 1028 Views
How do you explain the BA Hunters? Taer - 10/12/2009 02:21:28 PM 961 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 03:03:49 PM 923 Views
Agreed Sidious - 10/12/2009 04:01:40 PM 817 Views
Disagree Taer - 10/12/2009 04:50:13 PM 914 Views
Just Agree to Disagree *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 11/12/2009 12:53:46 PM 397 Views
What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice? Cannoli - 10/12/2009 03:51:05 PM 933 Views
Well... Sidious - 10/12/2009 03:58:48 PM 909 Views
Don't be ridiculous Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:05:46 PM 797 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2009 05:54:39 PM 828 Views
She threatened, or made an implied threat, to reveal what they had done. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:11:43 PM 797 Views
Re: What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice? randfandom - 10/12/2009 09:08:08 PM 843 Views
It does NOT violate Tower Law, as Myrelle herself said, and Siuan admits. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:23:25 PM 857 Views
I can't decide if you just don't understand the books at all darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 05:14:22 AM 766 Views
I have doubts about RJ's brain if he actually believed some of the crap he has characters spew Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:26:52 PM 833 Views
Let he who has no sin cast the first stone redhand - 10/12/2009 04:34:06 PM 855 Views
Re: Let he who has no sin cast the first stone Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:41:33 PM 781 Views
Leane too darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 06:09:31 AM 769 Views
Not really DomA - 10/12/2009 03:06:30 PM 897 Views
But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted. redhand - 10/12/2009 04:42:51 PM 826 Views
Re: But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted. DomA - 10/12/2009 11:04:47 PM 849 Views
Really Taer - 10/12/2009 04:52:10 PM 795 Views
Re: Really DomA - 10/12/2009 11:56:30 PM 896 Views
No she was right, and even her blackmail, as reprehensible as that was, was not an act of tyranny Cannoli - 10/12/2009 03:56:41 PM 983 Views
Sure. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 05:03:00 PM 776 Views
Actually, I agree. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 06:47:22 PM 797 Views
I like Egwene Taer - 10/12/2009 07:08:24 PM 829 Views
That really disappointed me. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 07:29:14 PM 878 Views
funny, I'm more of the mind set that both groups were right darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 12:02:50 AM 786 Views
Not the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 12:13:26 AM 748 Views
I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:13:31 AM 806 Views
Re: I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 08:20:19 AM 868 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 02:06:47 PM 870 Views
You have no basis for that assertion. Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 07:12:03 PM 838 Views
Not really the case darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:20:43 PM 831 Views
They refuse to reveal the Ajah Heads to Egwene, despite her express orders. Doubt Meidani could... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2009 09:44:23 AM 959 Views
Ah, true that. Fanatic-Templar - 12/12/2009 07:20:04 PM 849 Views
Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2009 09:02:55 PM 761 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2009 04:16:56 AM 829 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2009 08:12:25 AM 861 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2009 07:35:10 PM 765 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 08:27:53 PM 733 Views
Not true. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2009 02:41:28 AM 876 Views
I agree with most of your point darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 09:49:18 PM 883 Views
Fealty swearing sisters are no longer around... randfandom - 11/12/2009 12:57:49 AM 766 Views
Re: Fealty swearing sisters are no longer around... darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:18:33 AM 805 Views
The main differences between the two oaths randfandom - 10/12/2009 07:00:55 PM 1252 Views
Of course she is a hypocrite Knightscape - 11/12/2009 05:22:56 AM 845 Views
The same can be said of Nynaeve and Mat darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:20:47 AM 859 Views
Probably because they're all human Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:43:53 PM 744 Views
darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:05:13 PM 825 Views
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