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The main differences between the two oaths randfandom Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 07:00:55 PM
Did anyone else react with surprise to Egwene's strong reaction to a 4th oath of fealty, when she herself extracted a similar oath (albeit not on the oath rod) from Theodrin, Faolain, and others?


While not completely ethical, there is a difference here:

1. Egwene did not have them swear "obedience" but fealty - which is what Aes Sedai owe their Amyrlin anyway - she was rectifying the imbalance caused by them treating her as a puppet.

2. Egwene did not have them swear on the Oath Rod. I am pretty sure there is a difference in how binding an oath is if it is sworn directly on the oath rod and if it is not. We've seen a woman nearly choke to death when inadvertantly told to tell a lie after swearing the oath to obey. On the other hand, Beonin's oath of fealty did not prevent her from switching allegiance to Elaida at the first opportune moment. She was able to circumvent her oath quite easily by convincing herself that Egwene is not Amyrlin. Somehow I doubt it would have worked had she sworn on the Oath rod.

However, I do agree that Egwene tends to have blinders when it comes to her actions. Her attitudes towards Rand and resentment of his decisions and privileges is evident throughout the series. It is a failing shared by all Aes Sedai however (except for Nynaeve and Moiraine).
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Egwene - hypocrite Taer - 10/12/2009 01:20:24 PM 1570 Views
Re: Egwene - hypocrite Elvira_Sedai - 10/12/2009 01:33:00 PM 1094 Views
Not the same at all really Sidious - 10/12/2009 02:12:36 PM 825 Views
How do you explain the BA Hunters? Taer - 10/12/2009 02:21:28 PM 767 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 03:03:49 PM 731 Views
Agreed Sidious - 10/12/2009 04:01:40 PM 627 Views
Disagree Taer - 10/12/2009 04:50:13 PM 720 Views
Just Agree to Disagree *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 11/12/2009 12:53:46 PM 289 Views
What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice? Cannoli - 10/12/2009 03:51:05 PM 739 Views
Well... Sidious - 10/12/2009 03:58:48 PM 723 Views
Don't be ridiculous Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:05:46 PM 611 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2009 05:54:39 PM 608 Views
She threatened, or made an implied threat, to reveal what they had done. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:11:43 PM 616 Views
Re: What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice? randfandom - 10/12/2009 09:08:08 PM 657 Views
It does NOT violate Tower Law, as Myrelle herself said, and Siuan admits. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:23:25 PM 649 Views
I can't decide if you just don't understand the books at all darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 05:14:22 AM 561 Views
I have doubts about RJ's brain if he actually believed some of the crap he has characters spew Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:26:52 PM 604 Views
Let he who has no sin cast the first stone redhand - 10/12/2009 04:34:06 PM 654 Views
Re: Let he who has no sin cast the first stone Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:41:33 PM 593 Views
Leane too darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 06:09:31 AM 584 Views
Not really DomA - 10/12/2009 03:06:30 PM 701 Views
But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted. redhand - 10/12/2009 04:42:51 PM 646 Views
Re: But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted. DomA - 10/12/2009 11:04:47 PM 667 Views
Really Taer - 10/12/2009 04:52:10 PM 601 Views
Re: Really DomA - 10/12/2009 11:56:30 PM 704 Views
No she was right, and even her blackmail, as reprehensible as that was, was not an act of tyranny Cannoli - 10/12/2009 03:56:41 PM 779 Views
Sure. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 05:03:00 PM 585 Views
Actually, I agree. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 06:47:22 PM 592 Views
I like Egwene Taer - 10/12/2009 07:08:24 PM 654 Views
That really disappointed me. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 07:29:14 PM 691 Views
funny, I'm more of the mind set that both groups were right darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 12:02:50 AM 617 Views
Not the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 12:13:26 AM 555 Views
I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:13:31 AM 619 Views
Re: I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 08:20:19 AM 678 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 02:06:47 PM 636 Views
You have no basis for that assertion. Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 07:12:03 PM 613 Views
Not really the case darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:20:43 PM 609 Views
They refuse to reveal the Ajah Heads to Egwene, despite her express orders. Doubt Meidani could... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2009 09:44:23 AM 708 Views
Ah, true that. Fanatic-Templar - 12/12/2009 07:20:04 PM 611 Views
Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2009 09:02:55 PM 584 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2009 04:16:56 AM 624 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2009 08:12:25 AM 662 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2009 07:35:10 PM 566 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 08:27:53 PM 561 Views
Not true. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2009 02:41:28 AM 673 Views
I agree with most of your point darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 09:49:18 PM 694 Views
Fealty swearing sisters are no longer around... randfandom - 11/12/2009 12:57:49 AM 581 Views
Re: Fealty swearing sisters are no longer around... darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:18:33 AM 604 Views
The main differences between the two oaths randfandom - 10/12/2009 07:00:55 PM 843 Views
Of course she is a hypocrite Knightscape - 11/12/2009 05:22:56 AM 626 Views
The same can be said of Nynaeve and Mat darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:20:47 AM 632 Views
Probably because they're all human Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:43:53 PM 557 Views
darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:05:13 PM 641 Views
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