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Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. Sidious Send a noteboard - 11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM
I've been saying for a while that he's a lame duck; what was funny to me was how similar his behavior is to Lanfear's so it's fitting that you noted how similar they are. Very poor emotional control on his part - he's ripe to be duped and used as a tool, just as Sammael was, so it is unsurprising that Moridin leads him by the nose.

As for Mesaana, Graendal had an entertaining assessment of her: a second-rate Chosen, who only recently could be said to be fully committed.

The only suspicious part was that they thought Semirhage might reveal things: this was completely at odds with what he know of her capture during the Age of Legends.

I'm suspicious mainly because it is possible that Demandred and Mesaana put on an act in front of Graendal and Moriding; they seemed to parade their personality foibles in front of the other two. Mesaana's behavior is also contrary to what we've seen before - she knows exactly what Aes Sedai are capable of, yet she seems to be stronger than Moghedien. It seems to me that she showed an independent streak when she didn't go to the Cleansing that actually doesn't agree with this image of her as a begging supplicant. We're supposed to believe that she would not obey a direct order from the Dark One, but she was all for mounting a rescue for another Forsaken?

Perhaps in this desire for competence on the part of the protagonists and the antagonists, I'm giving them both too much credit, though, and they might truly be as stupid as they looked in that scene.


Mesaana became an idiot only after SH had his way with her. After that she was a broken babbling little girl, and she rarely speaks sense now. In LoC she was impatient and insecure around Semirhage, so she's never been one of the stronger Forsaken. I think her administrative skills are top notch, but overall she's a very weak villain.
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Two idiot Forsaken in the Prologue - 10/12/2009 04:31:10 PM 1572 Views
Oh you are being unfair! - 10/12/2009 04:49:31 PM 708 Views
LOL. Are you implying Mesaana killed Asmodean? *NM* - 10/12/2009 07:13:27 PM 269 Views
That would be a funny twist, but in reality I think we all know - 10/12/2009 08:10:16 PM 569 Views
Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. - 10/12/2009 04:56:32 PM 712 Views
Mesaana was motivated out of... - 10/12/2009 07:16:43 PM 631 Views
Ah, then she would be more of an idiot than I thought. 2nd Rate indeed. *NM* - 10/12/2009 08:19:05 PM 239 Views
Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. - 11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM 666 Views
But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid. - 11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM 572 Views
I think that just proves SH isn't gay! *NM* - 11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM 258 Views
Or it could just prove - 11/12/2009 05:42:33 PM 552 Views
Re: Or it could just prove - 11/12/2009 07:00:57 PM 482 Views
I agree, but I think it's about the DO being totally random - 11/12/2009 07:07:17 PM 565 Views
I don't ever want to find out who Demandred is - 11/12/2009 02:47:58 PM 506 Views
Imagine how bad it would be if - 11/12/2009 11:22:56 PM 503 Views
I would say... - 10/12/2009 04:58:15 PM 624 Views
he hasn't really done anything - 10/12/2009 05:25:03 PM 618 Views
But the point is valid - 10/12/2009 05:32:12 PM 755 Views
I'm pretty sure he did something... - 10/12/2009 05:33:04 PM 605 Views
Re: I'm pretty sure he did something... - 10/12/2009 07:51:25 PM 491 Views
Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* - 10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM 506 Views
Re: Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* - 11/12/2009 12:17:54 AM 456 Views
I tend to agree - 11/12/2009 06:52:51 AM 617 Views
I think Demandred is pretty smart... - 11/12/2009 11:45:58 AM 523 Views
of course he's never set foot anywhere close to anything long enough - 11/12/2009 02:11:19 PM 490 Views
Is it smart to take a risk... - 11/12/2009 02:22:18 PM 477 Views
I think your making a lot of assumptions - 11/12/2009 05:40:47 PM 506 Views
Well... - 11/12/2009 06:04:47 PM 511 Views
Re: Well... - 11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM 640 Views
I agree that Demandred will fail in the end. - 12/12/2009 11:00:59 AM 501 Views
Either a Channeler or Mat - 12/12/2009 03:41:09 PM 427 Views
According to RJ... - 12/12/2009 12:32:12 PM 593 Views
makes you wonder - 12/12/2009 03:39:08 PM 507 Views
Re: makes you wonder - 12/12/2009 03:47:18 PM 480 Views
Thanks for the BS quote, that's new news to me! - 12/12/2009 03:55:37 PM 481 Views
Moridin didn't want to betrayal Sammael... - 12/12/2009 04:07:49 PM 470 Views
It amounts to the same thing - 12/12/2009 04:12:42 PM 509 Views
Then you could also say... - 12/12/2009 04:22:30 PM 467 Views
no actually you cannot - 12/12/2009 04:46:03 PM 467 Views
Ah, I give up... - 12/12/2009 04:50:07 PM 471 Views
thanks for your permission - 12/12/2009 04:53:01 PM 482 Views
To be fair, Mesaana's brood of channelers promise could still come to fruition. *NM* - 10/12/2009 04:58:28 PM 277 Views
Yup, especially if she is a higher-up AS in the tower. - 10/12/2009 05:57:12 PM 545 Views
Sanderson's first attempt at portraying the Forsaken based on character summaries in RJ's notes... - 10/12/2009 05:29:51 PM 691 Views
Well... - 11/12/2009 06:55:17 AM 529 Views
That was RJ's biggest flaw, IMO - 11/12/2009 02:45:41 PM 536 Views
I'll respond to someone who wants to say that - 11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM 586 Views
Ya. Fain's a good exception. I still have hopes for him. And... Thereva was scary, but... - 11/12/2009 08:32:38 PM 482 Views
Slayer/Luc/Isam is also pretty cool. - 12/12/2009 04:16:14 PM 476 Views
One theme of tGS was "The Forsaken are actually pretty lame" - 11/12/2009 05:12:55 PM 524 Views

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