I was surprised by that too. It really was shoddy writing to ignore that. Especially with her acceptance of the Reds, and choosing a Keeper from among them. I mean, the whole thing could be dealt with easily. Someone asks her if the Reds aren't to be punished for their crimes. She says TG is in the offing, and such things cannot be worked out now. Matter solved for the moment at least. But no...
I remember DomA, before the book was released, suggested that Siuan would confess her wrongdoing to help heal the rift between the Aes Sedai, and take all the blame, leaving Egwene clean.
First, I think I've proved that what she did was indeed not the same as using the Oath Rod.
No, you've deomstrated that the oath she forced upon her victims was more lenient than the one the Black Ajah Hunters used.
Second, notice what happens with the BA hunters. She accepts their explanation that they needed the fourth Oath to carry their extraordinary plan forward. It is only when they overstep and ask Meidani to do something she certainly would not of her own free will, something that had nothing to do with their extraordinary situation and everything to do with their convinience, that Egwene gets really pissed.
It was the equivalent of Egwene commiting murder in front of the sisters sworn to her and ordering them to never reveal what they knew. I don't know if she could enforce this, but if she could and did, and then condemned the BA hunters, then you'd have a basis to talk.
It was the equivalent of Egwene commiting murder in front of the sisters sworn to her and ordering them to never reveal what they knew. I don't know if she could enforce this, but if she could and did, and then condemned the BA hunters, then you'd have a basis to talk.
No, she definitely claims that the Oath itself is a betrayal of all that they were. Unexpected Encounters. She later does as you say when they mean to order Meidani to get penance, but that does not change her claims and alleged perspective.
And did Egwene claim to be a paragon of honesty? Read the scene again... Nynaeve is talking about following the rules and speaking the truth, when Egwene challenges her by saying Nynaeve herself was not honest. She was dealing with Nynaeve's hypocrisy, not saying that she was honest and Nynaeve was not.
Of course she claims to be honest. The act of punishment itself carries the implication of superiority, and in this case, definitely moral superiority. That liars must be punished, when she does not get punished herself, indicates her pretense at not being a liar. Which she clearly is.
As for your recollection of the event, it is flat out wrong. Nynaeve was not berating Egwene about anything, she was floundering because Egwene had almost raped her with dream-men, and she went to the erroneous conclusion that she had lost her moral authority because she had lied to Egwene for the first time. Of her own accord, she confessed to Egwene about it. That is the opposite of hypocrisy. Little did she know that the reason why Egwene was acting this way was not Nynaeve's lie, but Egwene's - she was crazy desperate to hide her lies. What Can be Learned in Dreams. I think it is you who should read that scene again.
As an analogy, think of your elder brother accusing you of playing while not doing your homework. Ten minutes ago, he himself was doing the exact same thing, so you call him out on it (in a reprehensible and none too pleasant manner). Are you a hypocrite, or are you calling him out on his hypocrisy?
Depends. If I call him out on also not doing his homework, I'm calling him out on his hypocrisy. If I berate him on not doing his homework then punish him for it, I'm being a hypocrite.
What two? Blackmail and Compulsion? Of course she can!
Between Oathbound Sisters and Compelled Sisters.
The first rule of being a ninja is "do no harm". Unless you intend to do harm, then do lots of harm.
~Master Splinter
Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
~Master Splinter
Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
Egwene - hypocrite
- 10/12/2009 01:20:24 PM
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Not the same at all really
- 10/12/2009 02:12:36 PM
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I agree.
- 10/12/2009 03:03:49 PM
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What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice?
- 10/12/2009 03:51:05 PM
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But...
- 10/12/2009 05:54:39 PM
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She threatened, or made an implied threat, to reveal what they had done.
- 17/12/2009 12:11:43 PM
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Re: What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice?
- 10/12/2009 09:08:08 PM
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It does NOT violate Tower Law, as Myrelle herself said, and Siuan admits.
- 17/12/2009 12:23:25 PM
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I can't decide if you just don't understand the books at all
- 13/12/2009 05:14:22 AM
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I have doubts about RJ's brain if he actually believed some of the crap he has characters spew
- 17/12/2009 12:26:52 PM
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Let he who has no sin cast the first stone
- 10/12/2009 04:34:06 PM
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Not really
- 10/12/2009 03:06:30 PM
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But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted.
- 10/12/2009 04:42:51 PM
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Re: But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted.
- 10/12/2009 11:04:47 PM
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No she was right, and even her blackmail, as reprehensible as that was, was not an act of tyranny
- 10/12/2009 03:56:41 PM
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Actually, I agree.
- 10/12/2009 06:47:22 PM
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I like Egwene
- 10/12/2009 07:08:24 PM
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That really disappointed me.
- 10/12/2009 07:29:14 PM
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funny, I'm more of the mind set that both groups were right
- 11/12/2009 12:02:50 AM
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Not the problem.
- 11/12/2009 12:13:26 AM
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I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that
- 11/12/2009 07:13:31 AM
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Re: I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that
- 11/12/2009 08:20:19 AM
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*shrugs*
- 11/12/2009 02:06:47 PM
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You have no basis for that assertion.
- 11/12/2009 07:12:03 PM
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They refuse to reveal the Ajah Heads to Egwene, despite her express orders. Doubt Meidani could...
- 12/12/2009 09:44:23 AM
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Ah, true that.
- 12/12/2009 07:20:04 PM
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Who said she wasn't wrong?
- 12/12/2009 09:02:55 PM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
- 13/12/2009 04:16:56 AM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
- 13/12/2009 08:12:25 AM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
- 13/12/2009 07:35:10 PM
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I agree with most of your point
- 10/12/2009 09:49:18 PM
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Of course she is a hypocrite
- 11/12/2009 05:22:56 AM
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The same can be said of Nynaeve and Mat
- 11/12/2009 07:20:47 AM
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Probably because they're all human
- 12/12/2009 12:43:53 PM
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- 12/12/2009 04:05:13 PM
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