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But if she want's to appear as Sammael, she would surely "act in character"... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 02:42:27 PM

Because she is adapt at such intrigue and likes to play mind-games (apparently Aran'gar got a similar idea before and posed as Demandred to send the DF Asha'man against Rand). Besides that, Graendal especially likes to wear Masks of Mirrors and could certainly convincingly play Sammael & sent an army (without any tactical instructions, though). I also don't see why Semirhage would play Sammael, since the other Forsaken believe that he is most likely dead (and no one knows that Graendal is especially certain that Sammael must be dead, because she searched his *angreal stash).

The other dead Forsaken were balefired or traitors. Therefore it only makes sense to play Sammael, if you want to confuse the others, if a fellow Forsaken returned.

That doesn't make any sense. If everyone knows that Sammael is dead then it would be ludicrous to disguise yourself as him. She might as well disguise herself as Rand.

The other Forsaken have no idea if Sammael is dead - Graendal only convinces herself of that fact in TGS.

And once again, Graendal is not a general. She doesn't shunt Shadowspawn around. Several sources say so.

Graendal is the only one who KNOWS Sammael is dead. Or at least, she knows the intimate details of his clash with Rand better than any other Forsaken.

She does not know what the other Forsaken know. So it serves her purpose to keep them guessing. As long as she cannot be identified as the one posing as Sammael, what does she have to lose?

As for it not being in her character to "shunt Shadowspawn around", well, the whole point of assuming someone else's identity is to act in THEIR character. In other words, to imitate their tactics. And she's the one who said before that Sammael would see 100 000 men dead if it served a purpose he deemed worthwhile.

It is all just part of Graendal's mindgames to keep the other's guessing. And if she managed to kill Rand at the same time, well, her problem is solved.

If she wanted to lay suspicion on Demandred, why not simply impersonate Demandred instead?

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Part of a mystery from KoD is solved Logain - 14/12/2009 08:37:45 PM 1826 Views

Only SH can distinguish saidin and saidar Etzel - 14/12/2009 08:46:31 PM 1184 Views

I think this Mydraal in question was Shaidar Haran 1.5, was it not? I don't remember. *NM* Marshall - 14/12/2009 08:50:24 PM 465 Views

SH obviously wasn't one of the Myrddraal, who were ordered by "Sammael" to attack Rand. *NM* Etzel - 14/12/2009 08:53:43 PM 400 Views

Graendal's streith gown gives a lot away... Shannow - 14/12/2009 08:53:49 PM 1868 Views

Yes... Etzel - 14/12/2009 09:00:26 PM 1003 Views

Why would she be worried about that if she ordered it, though? BlackAdder - 15/12/2009 02:01:10 AM 952 Views

I think she excludes herself in TGS Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:39:18 AM 1080 Views

Very interesting argument... Shannow - 14/12/2009 08:49:08 PM 1082 Views

Alviarin's Mark doesn't give her control over shadowspawn. RJ told us this in a Q&A. Marshall - 14/12/2009 08:49:50 PM 939 Views

Link please to the RJ quote. *NM* Logain - 15/12/2009 03:31:06 PM 372 Views

Here is the quote: Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:35:34 PM 868 Views

Thanks! So we can eliminate Alviarrin for sure! *NM* Logain - 15/12/2009 03:50:05 PM 361 Views

I always thought it was Demandred kcf - 14/12/2009 08:59:01 PM 1442 Views

I saw Demandred's comment to mean the following: Shannow - 14/12/2009 09:07:26 PM 1035 Views

I also interpreted... Etzel - 14/12/2009 09:17:19 PM 912 Views

I've always thought it was Semirhage's doing darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 09:39:18 PM 879 Views

I agree Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:14 AM 987 Views

In my view... Etzel - 15/12/2009 07:32:18 AM 848 Views

Graendal is low on my list Sidious - 15/12/2009 01:47:20 PM 916 Views

Posing as Sammael is Graendal's modus operandi Etzel - 15/12/2009 01:58:34 PM 903 Views

Re: Posing as Sammael is Graendal's modus operandi Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:21:07 PM 1121 Views

But if she want's to appear as Sammael, she would surely "act in character"... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:42:27 PM 955 Views

Re: But if she want's to appear as Sammael, she would surely "act in character"... Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:01:40 PM 868 Views

I think it makes perfect sense Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:20:28 PM 854 Views

Two things... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:03:23 PM 922 Views

Re: Two things... Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:24:42 PM 971 Views

Let's look at purpose and method... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:34:36 PM 987 Views

I don't think it makes much sense that this was a test Etzel - 15/12/2009 07:20:52 AM 955 Views

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<quote id="61270"><quote id="61255">Because she is adapt at such intrigue and likes to play mind-games (apparently Aran'gar got a similar idea before and posed as Demandred to send the DF Asha'man against Rand). Besides that, Graendal especially likes to wear Masks of Mirrors and could certainly convincingly play Sammael & sent an army (without any tactical instructions, though). I also don't see why Semirhage would play Sammael, since the other Forsaken believe that he is most likely dead (and no one knows that Graendal is especially certain that Sammael must be dead, because she searched his *angreal stash).

The other dead Forsaken were balefired or traitors. Therefore it only makes sense to play Sammael, if you want to confuse the others, if a fellow Forsaken returned.</quote>

That doesn't make any sense. If everyone knows that Sammael is dead then it would be ludicrous to disguise yourself as him. She might as well disguise herself as Rand.

The other Forsaken have no idea if Sammael is dead - Graendal only convinces herself of that fact in TGS.

And once again, Graendal is not a general. She doesn't shunt Shadowspawn around. Several sources say so.</quote>

Graendal is the only one who KNOWS Sammael is dead. Or at least, she knows the intimate details of his clash with Rand better than any other Forsaken.

She does not know what the other Forsaken know. So it serves her purpose to keep them guessing. As long as she cannot be identified as the one posing as Sammael, what does she have to lose?

As for it not being in her character to "shunt Shadowspawn around", well, the whole point of assuming someone else's identity is to act in THEIR character. In other words, to imitate their tactics. And she's the one who said before that Sammael would see 100 000 men dead if it served a purpose he deemed worthwhile.

It is all just part of Graendal's mindgames to keep the other's guessing. And if she managed to kill Rand at the same time, well, her problem is solved.

If she wanted to lay suspicion on Demandred, why not simply impersonate Demandred instead?
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