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You are wrong... Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM
Even the creator of the Myrddraal had no idea how/why/what their powers were! And we don't have any evidence at all of the shadowspawn were created using the TP! In fact given the reluctance of the Forsaken to use the TP except at great need I find it far more likely that Aginor used the OP to create them.


For example RJ said once: "The gholam - singular and plural are the same -were created, not bred. Supposedly their creation involved making them so that they would be obedient to the Chosen, whoever they might be at any given time. This was an attempt at copying something that had turned up in Myrddraal, which seem incapable of disobeying one of the Chosen, possibly because of the use of the True Power in creation of the Trollocs , the parent stock of the Myrddraal. Even Aginor, who created the Trollocs, and thus indirectly the Myrddraal, was uncertain about the actual cause."

That fits with Alviarin's TP mark from SH.

And it only makes sense that at least some of the special Shadowspawn abilities also stem from the TP, like obviously Grey Men, Fain and Slayer were changed by the TP, not the OP.
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Fain's Myrddraal - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2161 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 626 Views
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Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 932 Views
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Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 978 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 941 Views
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Exactly. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 558 Views
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Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 996 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 521 Views
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I don't say... - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1232 Views
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Re: Well... - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 1025 Views
It becomes clear... - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 945 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 921 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 592 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1251 Views
As said... - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 1033 Views
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makes you wonder - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 1097 Views
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I think... - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 982 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 589 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 545 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 520 Views

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