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No... Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM
Is refuted by the BWB. The need for Slayer while more powerful tools were in stasis is obvious, but that doesn't mean that he's the only assassin ... just a specialist ... and he's obsolete with Channelers and Gholam out there now in any case!


I said that Lanfear and Moghedien never acted as assassins in the books, i.e. in the series. Maybe because there are things like Gray Men, draghkar and Slayer, and the Forsaken have better things to do than performing assassinations? Apparently Slayer isn't obsolete, otherwise the DO, the Forsaken and high-ranking DF wouldn't use him.

He's failed time and again:

1. Fain, still alive and kicking and from what we can see Slayer never even got close to him!

2. Perrin (who wasn't really his "mark" just in the way)

3. Nynaeve (seems like he was just covering his tracks when seen with her, I don't recall him being sent after her)

4. Rand/Min ... that was just a big bungle!

His biggest accomplishment in series thus far was killing a couple of bound AS and a Gray Man ... doesn't seem like he's all that special if you as me. Millie seems to have done as much :P


Yeah, on the other hand, the super assassins Cyndane and Moghedien were of course pretty thorough & quick in killing Perrin and Mat. For that matter, the Forsaken in general seem very successful in killing Rand, Min, Nynaeve, Fain or many others..

As I often said, just because the Shadow fails, doesn't mean it's supposed to be completely incompetent by the author. Certain characters are simply still needed for the plot.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2070 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 558 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 542 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 1032 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 994 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 1050 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1256 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 1017 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 1063 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 953 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1213 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1164 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 2077 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 949 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 996 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 490 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 894 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 998 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 1067 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 1012 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 1035 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 1116 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 948 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 944 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1040 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 950 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 913 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 844 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 936 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 842 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 885 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 940 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 1001 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 905 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 935 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1171 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 900 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 869 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 965 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 1055 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 1007 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 943 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 919 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 1031 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 1041 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1197 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1098 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 1005 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1239 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 478 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 1066 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 961 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1178 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1124 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 891 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 951 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 850 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 943 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 815 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 910 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 474 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 790 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1028 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1130 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1021 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 945 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 850 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 821 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 518 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1137 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 919 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 912 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 909 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 992 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 992 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 891 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 533 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 499 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 480 Views
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