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Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM
Actually Slayer already appears in Egwene's/Nynaeve's plotline in TDR, when he kills the Gray Man. In the beginning of TSR Slayer is basically in Rand's plotline, when he kills the two BA. Then he hops to Perrin's plotline, when he is hunting Fain, but also appears in Nynaeve's plotline again, when he almost kills her in TSR. In LoC Egwene sees Slayer stalking in TAR. Similarly Slayer is seen spying on the Wondergirls in WH, but also appears in Rand's plotline in Far Madding. Besides that, Slayer (or Luc & Isam) are of course often mentioned by various characters throughout the series.


The name Slayer never appears until the Wolves name him to Perrin in TSR. Fain refers to him as Isam.

We don't know he was responsible for the Gray Man or the BA in the Stone until WH, when he has the POV that IMO excludes him from being the killer. Why reveal all the rest and not that?

That shows that Slayer basically jumps between the plotlines, so to speak. And this makes sense, because he is an assassin, who follows the various tasks different patrons give him. Therefore it also makes sense that he killed Asmo, especially if he was sent by a Forsaken linked to Rand's plotline at this time (most likely Graendal or Lanfear; but one also can't completely rule out Mesaana, Sammael or Moridin).


He obviously is jumping around doing many things, but killing Asmodean (even at the order of one of the others) seems like a stretch since RJ said we should have had the clues by that point and our only exposure to him is a handful of random encounters followed by the whole "killing wolves in T'A'R" subplot (that I still don't get the point of to be honest).

Your argument that Slayer is only tied to Perrin's plotline and therefore couldn't appear in Rand's plotline in TFoH makes obviously no sense and is even refuted in the books. Considering that we had two other mysterious assassinations in the books before Asmo's death - namely the killing of the two BA in the Stone and the killing of the Gray Man in the WT - it makes sense that the same killer stroke again in the Caemlyn Palace to kill Asmo.


My argument is that prior to TFoH the only time we've actually seen Slayer (named) was in Perrin's plotline. He was sent after Fain in the TR. The mystery killings are just that until WH, we have no idea that Slayer did this until WH ... see above...

Sure there are bread crumbs that could lead to Slayer as the killer, I've said before that I don't 100% rule him out, I only find him to be the less likely killer of the available suspects.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2091 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 572 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 553 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 1067 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 1036 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 1074 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1288 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 1048 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 1102 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 986 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1258 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1193 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 2120 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 981 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 1030 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 507 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 937 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 1025 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 1094 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 1053 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 1071 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 1152 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 980 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 974 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1075 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 989 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 939 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 876 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 969 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 876 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 916 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 968 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 1028 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 927 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 963 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1195 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 924 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 892 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 992 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 1084 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 1040 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 975 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 946 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 1057 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 1076 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1224 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1149 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 1048 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1262 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 495 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 1092 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 1000 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1207 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1163 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 915 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 987 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 878 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 980 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 842 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 941 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 486 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 813 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1056 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1167 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1055 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 978 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 882 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 853 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 535 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1169 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 958 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 947 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 949 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 1026 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 1023 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 914 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 547 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 516 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 489 Views
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