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Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM
You certainly have the freedom to make a supposition that it was, but we have no evidence at all that the mark was made with either Power.

It can simply be a case of Shaidar Haran being able to manipulate time/space in a way further developed than most Myrdraal.

After all, only channelers can access the True Power, and we've seen no evidence that the Dark One can make it available to Shadowspawn. The best evidence we have is that Shaidar Haran has physical limitations regarding what it can touch and how - Elza was doing most of the actual moving in TGS. If SH had access to the TP, it could have 1) removed the Compulsion in Elza's mind itself or 2) moved objects/people physically with the TP.

Whatever SH can do, it does not seem to be related to the One Power or the True Power in a readily apparent way.


One really has to wonder, if you actually read the books.. :[

To explain it to you: The DO basically is the TP. While SH doesn't channel as a channeler, he obviously still uses the TP, since he is the Dark One in shadowy form (and thus restricted). The DO also basically uses the TP, not some other power, as you seem to believe. And therefore Slayer's powers obviously come from the TP as well. *sigh*
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2070 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 558 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 543 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 1033 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 995 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 1050 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1256 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 1018 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 1064 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 953 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1213 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1164 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 2079 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 949 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 996 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 490 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 895 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 998 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 1068 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 1012 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 1036 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 1116 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 949 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 945 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1041 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 951 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 913 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 845 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 937 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 842 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 885 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 941 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 1001 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 905 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 936 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1172 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 900 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 869 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 965 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 1056 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 1008 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 943 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 920 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 1032 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 1042 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1197 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1099 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 1005 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1239 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 478 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 1066 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 961 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1178 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1124 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 892 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 952 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 850 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 943 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 816 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 911 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 475 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 790 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1029 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1131 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1021 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 946 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 851 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 822 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 519 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1137 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 920 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 913 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 909 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 992 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 993 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 892 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 533 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 499 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 480 Views
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