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You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM
Unless you actually have quotes and selections from the series where a character clearly identifies Alviarin's mark, the Shadowspawns special abilities and the Dark One's reality bending powers, you're operating entirely on theoretics.

You won't find those quotes and selections...because they are not there. I'm primarily interested in channelers and as a result of this, I've read the BWB and most of the Power/Forsaken/Channeling related sections of the books multiple times.

I think you are so quick to name the True Power as a source for anything Dark-related that you forget that the taint of Shadar Logoth, Dreamwalking, Wolfbrother/Wolfsister abilities, Sniffing, and indeed parallel dimensions and other lifetimes have nothing to do with the Power.

You also forget a key factor: The One Power is not the Creator's essence; from all we have been told, it is the force the Creator put in place to drive the Wheel of Time. The Creator may have originated it, but we don't know if it is Her essence or not. The True Power, conversely, must operate on a parallel path - it is not the Dark One's essence, per se, but an additional force that the Dark One can control. The Dark One is a sentient intelligence from beyond space/time - it's not limited to using one force to accomplish it's goals. In fact, we've seen no evidence that transmigration has anything to do with the TP, either. Once again, if you are going to be so insistent about this, provide a quote or section that says so. I suspect all you will find is the same thing the rest of us found - a bunch of uncertain statements that don't suffice to substantively answer or refute most people's questions.
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Fain's Myrddraal - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 2091 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 572 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 553 Views
But what was the purpose then? - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 1067 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 1035 Views
Maybe... - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 1074 Views
Re: Maybe... - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1288 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 1048 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 1102 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 986 Views
The explanations - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1258 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1193 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 2120 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 981 Views
Well... - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 1030 Views
Indeed *NM* - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 507 Views
Re: The explanations - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 937 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 1025 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 1094 Views
The reason is... - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 1053 Views
The reasoning is very weak. - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 1070 Views
If you mean... - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 1152 Views
A few points - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 980 Views
You are wrong... - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 974 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 1074 Views
Key word - "possibly" - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 989 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 939 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 876 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 969 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 875 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 916 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 968 Views
You confuse it a bit... - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 1028 Views
I think you've got it backwards - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 927 Views
However... - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 963 Views
I wasn't arguing that point - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1195 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 924 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 892 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 992 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 1084 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 1040 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 975 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 946 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 1057 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 1076 Views
Well, I disagree of course... - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1224 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 1149 Views
Actually... - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 1048 Views
BWB says... - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1262 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 495 Views
Well... - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 1092 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 1000 Views
No... - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1207 Views
Re: No... - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 1163 Views
Again... - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 915 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 987 Views
Again... - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 878 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 980 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 842 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 941 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 486 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 813 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 1056 Views
I don't say... - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 1167 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 1054 Views
Re: Well... - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 977 Views
It becomes clear... - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 882 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 853 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 535 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 1169 Views
As said... - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 958 Views
Re: As said... - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 947 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 949 Views
makes you wonder - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 1026 Views
Re: makes you wonder - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 1023 Views
I think... - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 914 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 546 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 516 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 489 Views

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