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Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM
From what I've read from Brandon, and from TGS, Mesaana is not bound by the Oaths. His statement that she defeated the Oath Rod implies that she was not bound, but rather defeated actually being bound in the first place. Not only that, but Mesaana is over 300 years old, which would make her die on the spot or at least look like Cadsuane after a few weeks. Very few Aes Sedai live past 300 once they're bound.


I'm not sure Mesaana would die, but regardless I agree with your reasoning - it's essentially the same as mine.

We know that to be bound you need to channel a flow of Spirit into the rod and then make an Oath. It's possible she used some form of Illusion to make it seem like she was channeling into the rod,


Actually, the person being Bound is not the one who channels the Spirit into the rod - another channeler does that. So, when I talked about (and rejected) the idea of Mesaana diverting the flow of Spirit, I meant the other channeler's flow of Spirit. The person being Bound doesn't channel during the process, as I understand it. She just holds the rod and speaks the words.

or she used Illusion around a voice, so that the Rod bound the weave, and not her, if that makes sense... in other words, she made a fake target for the ter'angreal.


I see what you mean. However, since it appears the person being Bound has to hold the rod while speaking the words, I'm guessing that the holding part is key, in which case creating a fake target may not be possible.

Just thinking off the top of my head here. We certainly don't know enough to rule that idea out for certain.

My other thought is that she used some subtlety with Spirit that resembled Nynaeve's anti-Compulsion to Heal Compulsion - like a neutralizing weave that looked like a mirror but wouldn't be noticed easily by the attending Sisters.


Yeah, that might have been possible. But, for no one to notice her channeling during the process (since normally the Bound channeler doesn't channel), not only would she have had to invert the weaves (no problem, there), but she'd also have had to mask her ability (otherwise she'd glow), and if she had masked her ability before arriving, you'd think the other women there would have noticed. *shrugs *

Either way, Mesaana probably had lots of time to prepare and with her knowledge I think she found a way around the actual binding.


I agree. My guess is that, whatever she did, she did/prepared it before she arrived, so that she didn't have to channel during the process, because of the mask-her-ability issue I mentioned previously.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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