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I like that idea ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
I say make it simpler. In order for the oath rod to work, it requires a target, the person holding the rod, in other words, skin contact. She wore gloves, or wraped her hands in flows or air and then inverted the weave so she was not actuially holding the rod in her hand, but in flows of air. Thus, the rod's compulsion had no target and therefore she was not bound.


Yeah, some sort of inverted weave that prevented actual skin contact with the rod would presumably have worked. It's simple, and would not have been noticeable - the weave could have been thin enough that it appeared there was skin contact even though there wasn't.

I like that idea better than mine.
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2679 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1320 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1228 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1113 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1101 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1209 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1092 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1146 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1032 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1051 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 881 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1052 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1096 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1062 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1074 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 861 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 850 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 422 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 870 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 758 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1026 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 869 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 427 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 902 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 887 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 986 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 910 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 935 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 759 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 916 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 451 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 964 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 920 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 918 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 816 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 435 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 842 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 393 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 414 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1056 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 957 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 650 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 437 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 420 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1048 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 830 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1075 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 999 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1055 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 727 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 811 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 880 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 856 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 911 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 939 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 400 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1015 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1002 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 830 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 855 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 757 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1045 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 848 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 362 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 922 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 721 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 864 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 884 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 959 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 831 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 367 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 905 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1235 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 812 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 411 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1179 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1016 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 790 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 897 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 886 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 402 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 777 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 896 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 968 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 759 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 922 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 791 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 739 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1098 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 770 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 903 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 840 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 844 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 455 Views
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