... If I were an AoL AS, I would design the Binder to work as you suggested, not as Sidious suggested. Then it could be used on any channeler of any age.
Plus, I can't really think of any reason why RJ would have wanted it to work like Sidious suggested. All it does is limit who could be Bound with it, so it would eliminate old channelers, like the Kin, from being candidates. That's it, really.
But, it seems Egwene's idea now is for AS to continue to swear the 3 oaths when they are first raised, and then unswear the oaths when they are ready to retire, so that they can live out their allotted, unbound lifespans. That assumes, though, that when an AS unswears the oaths, her lifespan reverts back to what it would have been had she never sworn them in the first place.
But that's something else I've wondered about. One possibility I've considered is that, when oath-bound, a channeler ages at (say) 2X the rate she would if not oath-bound, and she can never reversed the effects of that aging.
For example:
Person X non oath-bound lifespan = 600 years.
Person X swears 3 oaths at age 30, when she becomes AS. During those first 30 years, she's aged 30 years out of the 600.
Person X remains oathbound for 200 years (to age 230), during which time she's aged 400 years (2X the normal rate).
Person X retires to the Kin and unswears the oaths. She now has (600-30)-400 = 170 years of life remaining, so she'll die at 400.
If that were the case, then the AS would be crazy to continue to use the oath rod. But, if the 2X aging that person X experienced while oathbound reverses affect (back to 1X) when she unswears, so that she can live out her remaining 370 years, then the AS could continue using the oath rod without undue affect on their lifespans. My guess is, that's how it actually works.
Plus, I can't really think of any reason why RJ would have wanted it to work like Sidious suggested. All it does is limit who could be Bound with it, so it would eliminate old channelers, like the Kin, from being candidates. That's it, really.
But, it seems Egwene's idea now is for AS to continue to swear the 3 oaths when they are first raised, and then unswear the oaths when they are ready to retire, so that they can live out their allotted, unbound lifespans. That assumes, though, that when an AS unswears the oaths, her lifespan reverts back to what it would have been had she never sworn them in the first place.
But that's something else I've wondered about. One possibility I've considered is that, when oath-bound, a channeler ages at (say) 2X the rate she would if not oath-bound, and she can never reversed the effects of that aging.
For example:
Person X non oath-bound lifespan = 600 years.
Person X swears 3 oaths at age 30, when she becomes AS. During those first 30 years, she's aged 30 years out of the 600.
Person X remains oathbound for 200 years (to age 230), during which time she's aged 400 years (2X the normal rate).
Person X retires to the Kin and unswears the oaths. She now has (600-30)-400 = 170 years of life remaining, so she'll die at 400.
If that were the case, then the AS would be crazy to continue to use the oath rod. But, if the 2X aging that person X experienced while oathbound reverses affect (back to 1X) when she unswears, so that she can live out her remaining 370 years, then the AS could continue using the oath rod without undue affect on their lifespans. My guess is, that's how it actually works.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
This message last edited by Shishka on 18/01/2010 at 09:31:57 PM
Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod
- 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM
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I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye
- 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM
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Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye
- 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM
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I like that idea ...
- 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
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Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye
- 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM
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I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead
- 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM
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I agree ...
- 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM
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I'm not sure
- 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM
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It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS
- 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM
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Hmmm ...
- 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM
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No she unswore them and retook them
- 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM
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Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ...
- 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM
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I'm not sure I follow
- 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM
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The point I was trying to make was ...
- 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM
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Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though
- 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM
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What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ...
- 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM
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yup
- 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM
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I'm with you, though ...
- 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM
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The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman
- 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM
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But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM*
- 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM
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Re: I'm not sure
- 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM
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interesting
- 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM
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Re: interesting
- 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM
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The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM*
- 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM
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No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ...
- 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM
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But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM*
- 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM
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Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM*
- 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM
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Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting.
- 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM
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actually it's different
- 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM
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actually I think it's the same...
- 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM
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Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM*
- 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM
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Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM*
- 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM
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One point...
- 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM
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Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod
- 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM
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I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise
- 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM
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Right, and also ...
- 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM
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Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all
- 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM
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Another interesting possibility
- 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM
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I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM*
- 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM
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We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before
- 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM
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Oh, I agree ...
- 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM
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Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT
- 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM
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Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ...
- 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM
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I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte
- 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM
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she could just be posing as a non-channeler.
- 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM
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If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all.
*NM*
- 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM
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*NM*
- 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM
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To speak no word that is not true
- 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM
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Could there be a true word, though?
- 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM
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I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ...
- 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM
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I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ...
- 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM
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Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM*
- 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM
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In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem...
- 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM
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Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible.
- 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM
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Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc.
- 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM
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Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ...
- 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM
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Yes
- 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM
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Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote
- 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM
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In the AoL...
- 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM
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I was thinking this too
- 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM
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I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R
- 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM
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maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM*
- 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM
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*NM*