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I considered that ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM
and they seemingly revert back to about they age they were when they would have looked had they never taken the Oaths.


It's hard to say. Let's say that the normal lifespan for non-channelers is 75years. So, when a channeler starts channeling at age 15, let's say her remaining (unoathbound) years go from 60 to 600. That means, she ages at about 1/10th the "normal" rate of non-channelers. So, 2X that unoathbound rate (for oathbound channelers) would be 1/5th the normal rate.

Siuan and Leane had only been oathbound for ~20 years when they were stilled. Which means they aged 4 years (20/5) during that time. If the 2X rate reverted to 1X after they were stilled, then they would have only aged 2 years during that time, instead of 4. So, we're only talking about a visible age different of 2 years - two small, I think, to know whether the 2X affect was reversed or not.

I find this a giant hint/clue that you are correct and the only reason we haven't seen it when others remove the Oaths is that it takes some time to kick in (circumvented by Siuan and Leane due to the brutality involved). I suspect the 3 AS Rand Stilled will likely be showing signs of being unbound should we ever see them again.


If those 3 AS have been AS significantly longer than 20 years, their visibile appearance now would give us a better idea on this issue than Siuan and Leane.

I also seems to be logical to me that the AoL developers probably would have wanted a system that didn't have a long term affect on someone who was only going to be bound for a 100 years or something ... kind of like a prison sentence. Perhaps a first offense for something minor was along the lines of "you shall be bound for 50 years against crime X" if that 50 years took 100 years off of the persons life it's a much more severe punishment.


Agreed, otherwise they wouldn't have designed the Binder so that the oaths could be removed. Why design it so the oaths could be removed, if the lifespan affect couldn't also be reversed?
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2937 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1516 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1450 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1319 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1321 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1436 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1313 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1354 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1250 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1252 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 1118 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1269 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1297 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1274 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1316 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 1080 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 1087 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 520 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 1081 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 964 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1271 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 1151 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 526 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 1095 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 1091 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 1197 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 1136 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 1187 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 980 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 1110 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 559 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 1167 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 1132 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 1138 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 1000 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 542 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 1040 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 506 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 519 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1258 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 1168 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 843 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 541 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 537 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1267 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 1047 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1351 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 1186 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1259 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 936 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 1035 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 1097 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 1074 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 1116 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 1139 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 504 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1238 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1242 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 1043 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 1058 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 991 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1272 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 1057 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 463 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 1153 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 917 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 1081 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 1097 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 1172 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 1052 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 489 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 1103 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1457 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 1028 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 511 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1392 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1222 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 1008 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 1117 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 1105 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 510 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 972 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 1141 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 1168 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 959 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 1146 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 1020 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 948 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1324 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 984 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 1134 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 1040 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 1052 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 553 Views
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