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I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM
Siuan and Leane had only been oathbound for ~20 years when they were stilled. Which means they aged 4 years (20/5) during that time. If the 2X rate reverted to 1X after they were stilled, then they would have only aged 2 years during that time, instead of 4. So, we're only talking about a visible age different of 2 years - two small, I think, to know whether the 2X affect was reversed or not.


Siuan was about 22 when she took the Oaths and now appears to be "little more than a girl" ... It's feasible that she looks about 24 now rather than being mid-40s. Leane was only a few years older and now seems to look about the same age as Siuan does.

If those 3 AS have been AS significantly longer than 20 years, their visibile appearance now would give us a better idea on this issue than Siuan and Leane.


Agreed, but odds are we'll not see them again ... there doesn't seem to be much going on in Cairhien nowadays. ToM seems likely to take place in Caemlyn, Ghealdan (or wherever Perrin may end up) and the Tower of Ghenji

Agreed, otherwise they wouldn't have designed the Binder so that the oaths could be removed. Why design it so the oaths could be removed, if the lifespan affect couldn't also be reversed?


Seems like the only reason they would make it reversible to me is to have short term sentencing as well as life sentences. Semirhage's activities were such that she was certain to have a life sentence thus her comment about shortened life.
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2712 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1351 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1261 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1144 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1133 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1240 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1133 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1179 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1068 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1082 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 908 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1083 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1128 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1093 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1107 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 904 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 898 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 437 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 908 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 786 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1067 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 916 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 439 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 935 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 913 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 1012 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 941 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 986 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 803 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 946 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 467 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 997 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 948 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 949 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 844 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 451 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 869 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 413 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 428 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1083 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 984 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 683 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 455 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 438 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1077 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 862 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1127 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 1027 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1088 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 760 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 845 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 915 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 886 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 939 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 973 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 416 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1054 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1033 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 861 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 885 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 783 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1081 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 876 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 376 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 964 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 752 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 894 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 914 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 988 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 866 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 383 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 934 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1270 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 843 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 427 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1208 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1047 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 825 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 936 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 932 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 420 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 809 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 935 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 999 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 790 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 953 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 821 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 772 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1141 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 800 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 935 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 872 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 875 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 469 Views
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