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I have a hard time... Etzel Send a noteboard - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM
To believe that Graendal saw Elza in TAR, apparently Delved her there and then taught her the necessary weaves to get the DM, because she figured that this would ultimately lead to a confrontation, where Rand will balefire Semirhage with the TP to protect Min. At least to me the idea that Graendal could foresee all this seems very far-fetched (similar to the idea that she figured out how Rand would try to kill her and fled before the balefire came).

I also think Graendal's involvement makes then only sense, if she closely worked together with SH, knew everything about Moridin's link to Rand and that Semirhage should be sacrificed. I don't believe, though, that Moridin would give this away, since it's basically a great weakness for him.

And why wouldn't Graendal visit Elza then in the real world and already cure her Compulsion, and avoid losing any time by teaching Elza those weaves, because Graendal could simply get the DM on her own & give it to Elza.

Besides that, BS didn't even said that Elza was taught any AoL weaves, but that Elza "had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves", and this seems to be related to becoming SH's tool. To me this rather sounds, as if SH was responsible. We have other examples of people, who were obviously changed by the TP, e.g. Alviarin, Fain or Slayer.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2184 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1104 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 975 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 915 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 1063 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 379 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 332 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 790 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 307 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 718 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 735 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 728 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 821 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 745 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 789 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 766 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1120 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 955 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 1046 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 978 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 893 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 695 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 744 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 700 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 697 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 814 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 719 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 745 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 726 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 771 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 734 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 748 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 695 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 738 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 730 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1134 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 756 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 761 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 693 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 326 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 947 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 983 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 827 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 814 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 768 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 970 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 800 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 818 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 778 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 684 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 873 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 757 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 708 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 802 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 700 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 678 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 760 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 779 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 689 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 785 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 747 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 638 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 690 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 795 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 994 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 871 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 811 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 809 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 862 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 808 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 835 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 832 Views

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