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Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM
That one is very strange IMO too ... wonder if RJ ever explained that or if we got a RAFO...

East of the Sun Con, Stockholm, Sweden June 1995 - Karl-Johan Norén reporting

When Moghedien ripped out Birgitte from Tel'aran'rhiod she "short-circuited" the Pattern, by bringing in an adult "in the flesh" instead of letting Birgitte join Gaidal Cain the "normal" way. He said also that Gaidal Cain may not have any role to play in Tarmon Gai'don.


So, I guess the Wheel provided the physical body for Birgitte's soul, since my understanding is that it was her soul that was ripped from TAR. I don't think the Heroes of the Horn, when they reside in TAR, are in TAR "in the flesh". I think they are just souls who use TAR to create images of themselves (or, the Wheel creates the image, based on the Hero's most recent incarnation - something like that). If that's right, then the Wheel simply created a physical body based on the TAR image Birgitte had chosen/been assigned.

Still sounds pretty wacky ...
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2694 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1335 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1237 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1125 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1114 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1219 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1105 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1161 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1046 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1064 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 891 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1064 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1111 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1077 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1087 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 887 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 865 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 426 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 879 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 770 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1033 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 885 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 431 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 919 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 895 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 994 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 921 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 947 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 765 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 926 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 458 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 978 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 933 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 930 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 828 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 442 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 852 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 403 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 421 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1066 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 969 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 662 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 443 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 427 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1060 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 843 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1087 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 1012 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1071 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 742 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 828 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 894 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 866 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 922 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 953 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 406 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1032 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1015 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 844 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 868 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 767 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1064 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 857 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 368 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 939 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 732 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 878 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 896 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 971 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 846 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 375 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 915 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1250 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 826 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 417 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1192 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1031 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 807 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 910 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 911 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 412 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 790 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 906 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 979 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 770 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 936 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 805 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 755 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1107 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 780 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 918 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 855 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 857 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 461 Views
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