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I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM
That one is very strange IMO too ... wonder if RJ ever explained that or if we got a RAFO...

East of the Sun Con, Stockholm, Sweden June 1995 - Karl-Johan Norén reporting

When Moghedien ripped out Birgitte from Tel'aran'rhiod she "short-circuited" the Pattern, by bringing in an adult "in the flesh" instead of letting Birgitte join Gaidal Cain the "normal" way. He said also that Gaidal Cain may not have any role to play in Tarmon Gai'don.


So, I guess the Wheel provided the physical body for Birgitte's soul, since my understanding is that it was her soul that was ripped from TAR. I don't think the Heroes of the Horn, when they reside in TAR, are in TAR "in the flesh". I think they are just souls who use TAR to create images of themselves (or, the Wheel creates the image, based on the Hero's most recent incarnation - something like that). If that's right, then the Wheel simply created a physical body based on the TAR image Birgitte had chosen/been assigned.

Still sounds pretty wacky ...
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2897 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1490 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1419 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1293 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1280 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1406 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1288 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1330 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1227 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1209 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 1070 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1240 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1277 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1244 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1265 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 1039 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 1058 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 509 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 1051 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 941 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1241 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 1124 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 513 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 1072 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 1064 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 1172 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 1105 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 1148 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 949 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 1090 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 550 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 1144 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 1088 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 1107 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 968 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 529 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 1013 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 486 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 503 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1225 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 1142 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 820 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 530 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 525 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1221 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 1026 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1322 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 1163 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1234 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 911 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 1010 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 1076 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 1049 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 1094 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 1111 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 490 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1214 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1194 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 1019 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 1034 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 951 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1246 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 1034 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 448 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 1121 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 890 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 1048 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 1071 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 1142 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 1022 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 457 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 1076 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1428 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 1008 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 500 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1362 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1198 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 966 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 1093 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 1080 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 498 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 950 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 1113 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 1139 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 930 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 1119 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 978 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 921 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1299 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 956 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 1105 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 1015 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 1020 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 542 Views
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