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In the same scene Etzel Send a noteboard - 01/02/2010 05:36:45 PM
Most of all I believe Moridin wanted to gain Rand's trust by revealing this secret.

Doubtful, IMO. Moridin knows that Rand knows that he used to be Ishamael. And therefore (unless he's a complete moron) he knows that Rand will never trust him, regardless of what he says or does.


Moridin also tries to tempt Rand again by saying that the DO could heal his madness or resurrect Ilyena. Therefore I definitely think that Moridin tries to make Rand a bit more trusting here (even if this fails; though Rand doesn't attack Moridin at least).

It seems possible that Mordin even thought that Rand already learned about this final balefire-death, e.g. from Asmo, LTT or Semirhage. After all, Rand also used balefire against Rahvin.

Perhaps, but then revealing the info himself would serve no purpose.


But considering his aim to get Rand's trust, it wouldn't hurt to reveal it, but might make Rand more trustful.

Besides that, Moridin might consider that this revelation won't matter much anyway, because any Forsaken who will die now won't be transmigrated anymore, since TG is simply too close (Osan'gar apparently wasn't transmigrated).

They might still be transmigrated after TG, if the DO wins. I would think most of the Forsaken hold out that hope.


Moridin states in this scene that he believes that the DO win end everything, if he wins.

Plus, what about the potential danger to himself? Does Moridin not care, or does he think he's somehow immune to that possibility?


Moridin might not care. On the other hand, he might even consider that this would harm Rand as well, because of their link.

Finally, it might of course destabilize the Pattern, if Rand and other Lightside channelers use balefire more deliberately, which helps the Shadow.

True, but encouraging Rand to go after the Chosen with that BF seems contradictory to the goal of the Shadow winning. Presumably, they are still needed. Could Moridin & the DO really view the BFing of the Chosen as a net gain? BFing one or two Chosen isn't going to affect the Pattern that much - seemingly less than the amount of chaos each Chosen causes in the Pattern with their various schemes, etc.

Seems like a net loss, to me. Maybe not with what Rand did to Graendal, since he wiped out a whole bunch of people, but in general it would seem like a net loss.


As said, I think Moridin especially wanted to gain trust. But of course, he likely wouldn't really care if Rand balefires the other Forsaken, since they are competitors. If Rand balefires Moridin, it might even hurt Rand himself. However, that Rand & Co. might lose their constraints to use balefire might be good for the Shadow.
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