In the spirit of nhilist thinking thoes who have thought along the same lines in history have been able to commit atrocitys. Hitler remarked as Russian tanks and soldiers flooded Berlin: The German people were not strong enough. They deserve thier fate of destruction. End quote. Morodin does not need trust or even compliance. He simply used reasoning from his belief. Trust is not required to follow this belief as it is not required to serve the DO. Simply belief and actions that support it. Morodin belives Rand is a moron for beliving he can kill the DO. In Morodins mind eventually sooner or later the DO wins. No matter what. In effect Rand is almost inconsequential, as he wants Rand to view his actions as futile . The tying in of so many different beliefs and thoughts in so many characters to real worl parralels is simply masterfull and has made this a joy to read. (I think BS got Matt wrong) Any way im probably wrong or whatever