The Shaido was by far the biggest clan, and I think it had as many Wise ones as at least 4-6 of the other clans. I can't reference this as I don't have the books with me, but that was the impression I got.
At the very least, the Shaido made up 1/3 of Aiel warriors (and all Aiel are warriors) in TFoH/LoC, so I'd not be surprised if there were far fewer channelers than you assume. I'm guessing maybe 1,000 at tops (remember, many can't channel - Perrin's group worked under the assumption that all 500 could, when it was more like half that number).
Also, remember that like the AS, the WO have their own goals and motives. They care nothing for Randland, only that the "remnant of a remnant" is saved, and that it is as large as possible. Even Avihenda puts this goal above almost everything else.
Similarly, the Sea Folk are tied to the seas. Only the Kin, AS and AM are tied to Randland, and have a vested interest in keeping it intact and safe beyond winning TG. The AM are divided between Rand and Taim, and the Kin have not yet shown leadership or political ties, nor weaves of warfare (though as you say, gateways can count for a lot in that regard).
So yes, I agree that especially since TDR (or around then), we've slowly had our esteem of the WT chipped away at (and with good cause). But there is still massive potential for good there, and uniting the tower was the first step in reaching that potential. Egwene has a LONG way to go if the AS are to become truly useful to Randland, but without Egwene as Amyrlin they were heading towards Mesaana's vision of a tower which unknowingly served the DO. Elaida certainly caused Rand substantial troubles (distrust of female channelers [even Cadsuane and Nynaeve], issues [as of yet, not entirely explained] in the BT, not to mention nearly delivering him into the hands of Mesaana herself).
Egwene can still botch things up, but if she plays her cards right, the Tower could play a crucial role in TG. Think of Min's vision of specks of light being swallowed by blackness - Rand will need EVERYONE he can get.
At the very least, the Shaido made up 1/3 of Aiel warriors (and all Aiel are warriors) in TFoH/LoC, so I'd not be surprised if there were far fewer channelers than you assume. I'm guessing maybe 1,000 at tops (remember, many can't channel - Perrin's group worked under the assumption that all 500 could, when it was more like half that number).
Also, remember that like the AS, the WO have their own goals and motives. They care nothing for Randland, only that the "remnant of a remnant" is saved, and that it is as large as possible. Even Avihenda puts this goal above almost everything else.
Similarly, the Sea Folk are tied to the seas. Only the Kin, AS and AM are tied to Randland, and have a vested interest in keeping it intact and safe beyond winning TG. The AM are divided between Rand and Taim, and the Kin have not yet shown leadership or political ties, nor weaves of warfare (though as you say, gateways can count for a lot in that regard).
So yes, I agree that especially since TDR (or around then), we've slowly had our esteem of the WT chipped away at (and with good cause). But there is still massive potential for good there, and uniting the tower was the first step in reaching that potential. Egwene has a LONG way to go if the AS are to become truly useful to Randland, but without Egwene as Amyrlin they were heading towards Mesaana's vision of a tower which unknowingly served the DO. Elaida certainly caused Rand substantial troubles (distrust of female channelers [even Cadsuane and Nynaeve], issues [as of yet, not entirely explained] in the BT, not to mention nearly delivering him into the hands of Mesaana herself).
Egwene can still botch things up, but if she plays her cards right, the Tower could play a crucial role in TG. Think of Min's vision of specks of light being swallowed by blackness - Rand will need EVERYONE he can get.
So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
07/02/2010 04:41:58 AM
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The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER
07/02/2010 06:46:51 AM
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Re: The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER
08/02/2010 05:43:52 PM
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I think the breaking of the tower was....
07/02/2010 07:55:48 AM
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Yes, but that isn't the point.
08/02/2010 04:14:32 AM
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Re: Yes, but that isn't the point.
08/02/2010 04:40:52 AM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
08/02/2010 04:55:46 AM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
10/02/2010 09:49:59 PM
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Re: the wise ones.
13/02/2010 10:21:55 AM
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Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
07/02/2010 06:14:31 PM
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Re: The point was that Rand needed the division.
07/02/2010 08:34:10 PM
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small disagreement
07/02/2010 08:42:07 PM
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Re: small disagreement
08/02/2010 04:37:03 AM
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Egwene and Siuan have noted that there are plenty of the new Novices
15/02/2010 04:22:35 PM
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Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
08/02/2010 04:34:52 AM
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Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
08/02/2010 06:56:01 AM
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Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien
11/02/2010 11:53:41 PM
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Re: Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien
13/02/2010 10:45:06 AM
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Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
07/02/2010 10:42:27 PM
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These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
08/02/2010 04:50:11 AM
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Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
08/02/2010 05:47:36 AM
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Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
13/02/2010 09:33:04 AM
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For that matter, what is the point of Andor?
08/02/2010 06:08:32 AM
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Re: For that matter, what is the point of Andor?
08/02/2010 03:38:54 PM
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But Tar Valon is critical too.
08/02/2010 07:41:43 PM
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Really?
10/02/2010 05:30:02 AM
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So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
10/02/2010 10:13:56 PM
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Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
12/02/2010 12:43:19 AM
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Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
15/02/2010 02:23:57 PM
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To pad the last few books in order to make Egwene the Amyrlin.
17/02/2010 05:25:22 PM
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