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You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry Send a noteboard - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM
My roommate is an ecology major, and studying "how organisms affect and are affected by other members, living and non-living alike, of local and global systems" seems to be exactly what he does. In fact, he just defined it to me now as "the study of interactions of organisms with one another and with their environment." Which is pretty much what Larry said, except Larry, to quote my roommate, "went one step further and defined 'environment.'"

So... I'm pretty sure what Larry said is a very correct and modern definition of the word "ecology."


Now talk to an english major and get the definition for conotative and denotative meaning.

Words and pharses have multiple meaning in english depending on context. How many different meanings can you communicate with the word "no"?

Archaic, as in not what the word conveys in common speech, in a given context. If I say "I am going to the theater." You will most likely think of movies, but what if I mean a play. If I say "I am going outside and burn a faggot", you will probably call the police to stop a murder, but what if I mean a cigarette, or perhaps to start a campfire. English is a tricky beast.

Make sense now?

The scientific and common definition/concept of a word offen are at odds. It is all about the context.


First off, it's not an antiquated use of the word. If anything, ecology is an inkhorn portmanteau that caught on in scientific and later, popular culture and it has very few variant meanings. Its meaning does not vary across regions, countries, or time. So arguing that it is "archaic" is a very strange set of reasoning.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2235 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1313 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1529 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1456 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1473 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1332 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1436 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1496 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1277 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1359 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1194 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1152 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1124 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1335 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 564 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1240 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1207 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1261 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1197 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1215 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 1130 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1256 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 1170 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1278 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1306 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1180 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1153 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 1069 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1223 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1306 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1177 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1169 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1730 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 604 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1365 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1328 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1416 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1587 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1339 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1510 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1413 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1209 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1805 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1626 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1623 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1468 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1209 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 532 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 536 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1950 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 1215 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 1136 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 1121 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1229 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 1122 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 1049 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 1143 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 1082 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1267 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1261 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1224 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 1117 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1491 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 1098 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 1051 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1456 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 1108 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 1227 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 1118 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1481 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1298 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1351 Views
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