doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia?
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM
If the only point is that Dune was one of the first books where the ecology of planet was taken into account and where I played a major then that is interesting but more a bit of trivia then a major point in understanding the story. I have not read enough pre 1965 but I would argue that some early Heinlein works such Farmer in the Sky and Red Planet touched on it fairly heavily.
I think Larry grossly overstates the importance of ecology in the book and he goes so far as to call one of the first "ecological" SF novels” and mentions it predates Earth Day by five years. If Larry simply meant the scientific implications then he probably confused the issue by mentioning the first earth day which to me at least implies a environmentalism. The planet was not the central character is was simply the back drop in which the central story took place even if it was a well defined and well though out back drop.
I think Larry grossly overstates the importance of ecology in the book and he goes so far as to call one of the first "ecological" SF novels” and mentions it predates Earth Day by five years. If Larry simply meant the scientific implications then he probably confused the issue by mentioning the first earth day which to me at least implies a environmentalism. The planet was not the central character is was simply the back drop in which the central story took place even if it was a well defined and well though out back drop.
Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within)
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- 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM
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Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
- 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM
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- 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
- 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM
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Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
- 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM
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Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
- 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM
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- 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM
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That was most of my issue.
- 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
- 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM
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Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM
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A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
- 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM
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- 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM
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Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects
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Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
- 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM
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Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
- 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM
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- 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM
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Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
- 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM
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doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia?
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Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
- 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book
- 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM
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Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM*
- 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM
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I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune
- 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM
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There are several points to the book/series
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Everyone get something different from a book
- 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM
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I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series
- 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM
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I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts
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Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps
- 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
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- 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM*
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Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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I didn't see that in Alia
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There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers)
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OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first
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One of my favorite series!
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I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it
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Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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