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doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM
If the only point is that Dune was one of the first books where the ecology of planet was taken into account and where I played a major then that is interesting but more a bit of trivia then a major point in understanding the story. I have not read enough pre 1965 but I would argue that some early Heinlein works such Farmer in the Sky and Red Planet touched on it fairly heavily.

I think Larry grossly overstates the importance of ecology in the book and he goes so far as to call one of the first "ecological" SF novels” and mentions it predates Earth Day by five years. If Larry simply meant the scientific implications then he probably confused the issue by mentioning the first earth day which to me at least implies a environmentalism. The planet was not the central character is was simply the back drop in which the central story took place even if it was a well defined and well though out back drop.
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1208 Views
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Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1066 Views
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That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 978 Views
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when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1000 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1086 Views
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You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 953 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 847 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1005 Views
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Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 971 Views
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Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 479 Views
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