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doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM
If the only point is that Dune was one of the first books where the ecology of planet was taken into account and where I played a major then that is interesting but more a bit of trivia then a major point in understanding the story. I have not read enough pre 1965 but I would argue that some early Heinlein works such Farmer in the Sky and Red Planet touched on it fairly heavily.

I think Larry grossly overstates the importance of ecology in the book and he goes so far as to call one of the first "ecological" SF novels” and mentions it predates Earth Day by five years. If Larry simply meant the scientific implications then he probably confused the issue by mentioning the first earth day which to me at least implies a environmentalism. The planet was not the central character is was simply the back drop in which the central story took place even if it was a well defined and well though out back drop.
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1189 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1242 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1049 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1080 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 951 Views
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Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 906 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1047 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 979 Views
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Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1000 Views
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when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 977 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1069 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 939 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 934 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 829 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 981 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1059 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 953 Views
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1431 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 469 Views
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 412 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 418 Views
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His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 804 Views
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read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 871 Views
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