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Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM
Not much to comment on. "Dune Messiah" is my least favorite of the novels, and it acts as a stop-gap before Leto II and Ghanima accomplish what Paul did not want to do - force an evolution of humanity.

This novel is more about Paul's limitations and his lack of ease with his role. We see Alia pushing her limits constantly and increasing her muscular control and prophetic abilities to a level that Paul has not.

This novel is more like "Oedipus Rex" in that it is largely a tragedy that ends when the next generation of Atreides takes over the rulership from the prior generation.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2235 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1313 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1529 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1456 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1473 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1333 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1436 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1497 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1278 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1359 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1195 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1152 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1124 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1336 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 564 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1240 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1207 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1261 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1198 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1215 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 1130 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1256 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 1170 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1278 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1307 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1181 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1153 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 1069 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1224 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1306 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1178 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1169 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1731 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 604 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1365 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1328 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1416 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1587 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1339 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1510 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1414 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1209 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1805 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1626 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1624 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1468 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1209 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 532 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 536 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1950 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 1216 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 1136 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 1122 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1229 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 1122 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 1049 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 1143 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 1082 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1267 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1261 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1225 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 1117 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1491 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 1098 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 1051 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1456 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 1108 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 1227 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 1119 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1481 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1298 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1351 Views
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